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The Nepal Digest Thursday 22 Nov 96: Mangshir 6 2053BS: Year5 Volume56 Issue3

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                     Prejudice One: The Story of Goat-Meat
                     Message from TND Foundation
                     Nepal News
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****************************************************************** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:21:38 EST To: The Nepal digest Editor <nepal-request@cs.niu.edu> From: "Pramod K. Mishra" <pkm@acpub.duke.edu> Subject: Prejudice One: The Story of Goat-Meat

Dear Editor,

        I have seen prejudice in many forms and degrees, in more than one political boundary. I thought it would be interesting to think about them in the following essays. Mere intellectual analyses, abstractions, of this phenomenon is neither enough nor suitable for the audience whose lives are affected, one way or another, by prejudice. You see, I'm at Duke, the Mecca of theory in the US, "US News and World Report's" number one ranked graduate program in theory; and I do the kinds of studies and teaching that come under theory. So, don't blame me for not using theoretical language very often to discuss the issues of life and society. I see no use of it in my writing for TND and in my writing in general meant for the understanding of nonacademicians, the real people out there. The jargons and abstractions, indispensaable part of the discovery of knowledge within a disciplinary framework, I keep aside for other purposes and occasions.

That is why, Mr. Editor, in the following piece, I'm going to talk about briefly in a narrative form one kind of prejudice I saw in my village in the eastern Nepali Terai. So bear with me.

        Prejudice helps animals, humans, cultures, nations to keep their ego and body intact. A sheep is prejudiced against another sheep or another goat; a dog harbors deep prejudices against another dog of the same breed or another breed, given the territorial interests. A dog's prejudice against a jackal or a wolf is another kind of prejudice, born of acculturation, power dynamics, and struggle for existence. A small fish harbors prejudice against big fish and big fish against bigger fish. The other way around also occurs to the great disadvantage of the smaller fish.

        This prejudice prevalent in the animal kingdom results from their survival instinct, and nature has equipped them in a way that the food chain remains one with nature's ecological system (discount for a moment the speculations about what happened to the dinasaurs). If a lion is terrifying, a tiger fierce, a cheetah sleek , fast, and deadly, a leopard filled with stealth, then a rabbit is equipped with camouflage and tricks, an antelope with swiftness and number, a fox with cunning, and so on. If nature has given an owl, an eagle, a vulture vision, talons, and sharp beaks, then it has given mice a hole in the earth, a sparrow their swiftness.

        But the human condition is different. Humans do not depend solely on the blind force and limitation of their instinct alone; they have reason, the ability to make sophisticated tools and change their environment to suit their survival, comfort and luxury. That's why, although humans possess instinctive prejudice like the animals, they can further complicate the nature and consequences of prejudice. For this reason, animal prejudice could hardly be called prejudice, for animals for the most part don't possess the ability to apply reason and judge or prejudge another animal. They are guided by their instinct for food, sleep, fear, sex ("Aahar, nidra, bhaya, maithunanch," as is said in Sanskrit); and to fulfil these instinctual needs, animals fight and kill one another or form flocks, prides, schools, herds, and packs to kill or defend from getting killed. The human case, however, is different. Human capacity for reason and memory makes the difference, both for the detriment and benefit of the humans.

        In the tribal village I grew up, for example, the Rajbanshis had their own prejudices, and these prejudices were very often based on unpleasant experiences and fears. For example, they called the hillsmen, those who descended from the hills, Pahaadia. About thirty years ago, there weren't many hillsmen in our part in the eastern Terai, and even those who ventured down from the hills for pasture and land for their cattle and to escape the harshness of winter in the mountains returned to the hills as soon as the earth began to warm in the spring sun and malarial mosquitoes started buzzing. And even during their stay, most hillsmen, mostly non-tribal communities of Bahuns, Chetris, and a few blacksmiths and tailors, stayed close to the jungle, inside it, somewhat away from the Rajbanshi villages in the south (although I have seen very few as closely integrated villages as mine), building houses whose walls, floors, and very often roofs were made of the sturdy trees of the rich forest. They of course visited the Rajbanshi village. This first batch of hillsmen had very cordial relationship with the Rajbanshis. They made friends among the tribals, ate, played cards, and exchanged greetings with them, whatever their internal assessment of these tribals. The Rajbanshis, however, considered the hillsmen, as I have mentioned above,
"Pahadia," meaning hill dwellers, somewhat uncivilized and uncultivated.

        Very often the term "Pahadia" meant what it obviously meant, hill dwellers. But sometimes when the Rajbanshis felt threatened, someone's interests harmed, some quarrel or unpleasantness souring their mood, I heard them say, "Pahadia bhoot, junglemaa sut, aago lagaidimgu, dhadfadai ooth" (You ghost of the hills, dwellers in the woods, I'll set fire while you're asleep and you'll rise up in panic and flee.). Of course, at times it was said as a joke to alleviate the tension caused by unfamiliarity, but very often it carried the prejudice of a Rajbanshi tribal, who had very little knowledge of the world outside the bounds of other tribal villages where their relatives and tribesmen dwelt.

        I was of course not a tribal, but because my mother and I were the only non-tribal in the village with our house, given by an old Rajbanshi widow to live, I was forced to share this prejudice at play time. The tribal children chanted this prejudice in the dust of the village square, and I so did I: "Pahadia bhoot jungalmaa sut . . ." Indeed, the hillsmen were different. They wore colorful caps, their shirts had laces instead of buttons very often (and many of them had started wearing pantaloons), and their bottom-loose, leg-tight trousers looked nothing like the Rajbanshi loin- cloth. Their women dressed differently, full-sleeve blouse and sari that hardly went above their west, which was thick with a long waistband--nothing like the
"petani," the only striped sheet of cloth Rajbanshi women wore, from chest downward, wrapped around the body and tucked at both ends of the chest, leaving the upper chest and shoulders open.

        The Rajbanshis said that the hillsmen never showered, never washed with water after relieving, the latter only the tribal children could be forgiven for doing. But for me the difference lay elsewhere. I found that while the Rajbanshi women worked at home and went to the weekly bazaars to sell home- grown products--vegetables, yoghurt, and so on--they never worked in the field; only the untouchable Mushahar women did so, but among the hill folks, women went to work in the fields, weeding, planting, tending cattle.

        But the more important difference for me lay in the appearance and disappearance of these folks. Unlike the Rajbanshis, whose farthest travels took them to their relatives in another village, leaving home at sunrise and returning at sunset (a rare soul went to Biratnagar or pilgrimage; they paid their rent to the zamindar in a nearby village), people from the hills emerged out of the depth of the jungle after the rains and disappeared into them for the rest of the year at the outset of spring. Only a rare breed stayed. I wondered where they disappeared; I had no idea that those silhoutted hills miles away in the north where in the darkness of the starry night I could see lamps burning every so often contained a whole different world into which these men disappeared.

        Whereas these men disappeared with their women, children, and cattle in the jungle and went to those hills ( later figured out), my father also disappeared most of the time. Only in a different kind of jungle in the south. While the northern jungle contained tigers and wolves which had four paws and a tail (at age eight one of those tigers caught me in a rice paddy near the jungle where I had gone for gleaning), the southern jungle across the border contained predators of another kind; they had no tail and only two legs. I always lived under their terror.
>From these predators, I was supposed to hide in the Rajbanshi village,
as anonymous as their children, loincloth and all.

        Prejudice among the Rajbanshis ran deep against the likes of my father as well, and this at times caught me, too. For example, my best friend's grandmother was heavily prejudiced against me, and whenever I went to my friend's courtyard, she thought I had appeared there every morning to eat their food. So she called me "Dakhinaa Thug" (a Southern Cheat). As soon as she spotted me, she said, broom in hand, "Look! look there! It isn't even morning, the Southern Cheat is already here. She, however, never used her broom; her daughter was too kind to let her do any such thing. But she was not always wrong about my desire to eat at her grandson's house, but Cheat I was definitely not. My father's case, however, may have been different. Because he was a pundit and took the well-off Rajbanshis on pilgrimage and cured their ailments when in the village, he might have at times swindled donations and fees out of them, I don't deny that. Troublesome I was, but Cheat I was not.

        My friend's grandmother also called me "noshaak," when her spleen boiled over and the shaking of the broom and volley of other epithets failed to calm her down. "Noshaak," however, was a term whose precise meaning I couldn't figure out for a long time, but I knew that she didn't use the epithet as a complement, as a redress for "Dakkhinaa Thug." No sudden change of heart there, I knew for sure. I wished, however, that she did, and waited for such a miracle to occur. Anyway, even though she got upset to see me, I didn't fear any physical harm, for she was too old and cranky, unable even to get up walk in straight strides, let alone run to catch me, her rotting lungs filled with phlegm (when she paused hurling abuses, she began coughing), and my friend's mother, the old woman's daughter, so full of kindness and my friend's father always good and tolerant. I didn't mind the insult; even when I did, I couldn't help going to my friend's courtyard, my skin thick, my ears receptive to only kind words, my stomach at times hungry for my friend's food, and my soul starving for friendship.

        One day, (what a day it was!) my friend's mother died in childbirth, just like that, leaving behind a son and two daughters. All my childhood in the village after that, the swelling belly of a woman frightened me after that, for inside the bulge hidden in the cloth of a sickly woman, I always sensed Death lurking in the shape of a round ball of flesh. My friend and I were about seven or eight or nine (you never knew your date of birth or calendar time in that village, sunrise and sunset guiding daily routine; festivals, crop cycles, heat, rain, and cold marking the change in seasons). After the death of my mother's friend, there was nobody with a ready smile to welcome me, nobody to insist that I must eat sitting beside my friend. But I continued to visit my friend's big courtyard, wading the ever-rising tide of the old woman's bitter, prejudiced invective (my friend's mother was her only child). But soon the old woman, too, kicked the bucket. I was shocked. How could death undo such a person? When I went to the courtyard now, there was nobody to welcome me with anything, not even with coughing lungs and burning epithets. It was indeed lonely.

        I wondered where these Rajbanshi people went. I knew that the people from the hills would return come winter; I knew that my father would also appear unannounced, his beards grown, his clothes dirty, his pockets full of coins. What I could never figure out was about these disappearing tribal women. I knew, however, that their destination was the river, where they buried them, but that was not enough. Somehow I knew that they would never appear; once gone, always gone; but I also knew that the river bank was not the only end of their shrouded journey. And I was right. On the thirteenth day from the day of death, the village Ojha (the man who cured people with herbs and mantras) came and presided over the final rites in which with great solemnity he traced the soul of the dead on a basil leaf and helped ease the soul's path to heaven. And that was my first lesson in spirituality.

        Such occasions, when an old person died or a marriage occurred, became fun time, too for the children. Relatives of my villagers assembled from afar and new children arrived in the village with whom we could play and fight, like territory defending dogs. Speaking their language, dressing like other kids, playing in the dust like them, I was one of them. I was for all intents and purposes a Rajbanshi. At times, I went to visit other villages with my mother, because she was invited. In our village, after her arrival, my mother had made an old tribal widow (the one who had given us her house to live in ) her mother. You could do that among the Rajbanshis, make mother and brother or friend if you needed, in a customary way. The tribal customs allowed such provisions to help people face calamities. If you had nobody in the world to call your own (like my mother and I), you could establish relationship among the Rajbanshis. Because of this old woman, who became my grandma, the only close relative I knew, my mother got invited to distant villages as her daughter to take part in marriage and funeral feasts. And whenever that happened, I also tagged along. I couldn't stay behind alone as a child, could I?

        One day, mother and I journeyed to a neighboring village. It was a marriage feast. Like other weddings, this one was also noisy, pleasingly so. No noise, no fun. There was a loudspeaker tied to the top front of a bullock cart, with its car battery, gramophone, amplifier and all carefully placed inside, blaring funny-sounding Hindi and Bengali songs, whose meaning I didn't fully comprehend but whose melody sounded strangely pleasing. There were cattle drums and double sided drums that the majhis beat with sticks, wildly shaking their heads to enhance the rhythm and dancing around in a circle like roosters and hens in heat. There was the flute player, puffing his cheeks like a monsoon frog and pumping endless air from a mysterious source in his body. But the man who solemnly removed the gramophone needle and replaced one record record with another was most important of all, his silver tooth making him all the more important, beyond the reach of us urchins. No prince could have matched his grandeur. We just ran around in the vicinity of the bullock cart, feeling very important.

        The time for feast came. The bell rang. With hungry stomachs, we all ran to the enclosed area to eat. On a white sheet of cloth laid down around the inside of the bamboo and stalk enclosure, we sat down, expectant. Wild banana leaves, brought from the depth of the jungle after a couple of days' journey on volunteer basis, were laid down before us. Steaming rice, ginger-smelling daal, yellow oily pumpkin curry were important, but they didn't make my mouth water. What made me always impatient and came the last, served by the most important woman in the village, was goat-meat. How everybody worshipped this woman! With what longing-filled eyes they waited for her arrival in the enclosure! Yet her face, when serving goat-meat, looked like stone, like an expressionless statue. I could never be even a distant priest and the beneficiary of her good graces, I thought. But arrive she did and began to serve fast, distributing the aroma-spreading pieces with so subtle discrimination that nobody except the most greedy soul noticed her tricks.

        But everybody, even I as a child, knew one thing: she would never serve one man. He was the man she was at first married to, but had eloped in early youth with somebody else. Even after all these years, she never served meat to this man. Mystified, I admired her tenacity; human conduct looked mysterious and amusing, depths of meaning hiding below the surface of life. She served everyone but him; she had an animal sense to avoid him. And this man was my grandma's nephew. Anyway, she came like a whirlwind and departed like one, leaving behind pieces of delicious goat-meat scattered on top of leafful of food.

        According to the tribal custom, at the end of the service, after the meat woman served and left, the chief of the village, who was also the head of the ceremonies, appeared. Brasspot of water in hand, a towel hanging by his neck, he put the pot on the floor and offered his apologies for any deficiency and the host's modest means, as was the custom. As he finished, his companion pointed toward me and said, "Who is this kid? He doesn't look familiar!" The person sitting beside me said, "Don't' you recognize him? He is the son of the woman who has made the old widow her mother in that village." And he gave the name of our village. Immediately, eyebrows were raised; murmur of shock and amusement spread around the rows; apologies were freshly offered for the mishap. It was immediately established that I was a "nosaak," a non-tribal and therefore lower than those with whom I had dared to sit. It was of course taken as a mistake, and except for a few, nobody felt offended; nobody threw away their curry-soaked rice. Actually, a few even unsuccessfully pleaded for my stay with my food. But the man who had spotted me approached, stood me by my arm and ushered me out of the enclosure. I didn't mind the manhandling, but I did mind the loss of the goat-meat. Because of that I cried. They gave my food to the dogs, goat-meat and all. When my mother heard, what else could she do? She quarrelled and the old Rajbanshi widow, my grandma, had me serve fresh food in a corner of the veranda, where, undistrubed by anyone, I ate alone. The goat-meat tasted slightly different, but I didn't go hungry because of the prejudice.

        As time passed, D.D.T. came to the village. The mosquitos were killed; and with them were killed hordes of cats, including mine. The rats multiplied; the jungle was cleared and the area became densely populated. People from the hills came down to stay and farm and people from the south journeyed to buy the farmers' produce and sell salt, kerosene, clothes, and soap. There was no more wild banana leaves left in the jungle; the feasts became rare; the prejudices became weak and inefficient to protect the tribe. Many farmers became wage earners and rickshaw pullers. Nobody was cleaner now than those whom the Rajbanshis called dirty, the ghosts living not in the forest but in towns and cities; and those whom they called Southern Cheat, many of them wealthy beyond imagination.

        This is a small part of the story of my village as concerned with prejudice. Prejudice Two will focus on a non-tribal prejudice in Nepal. Prejudice three will hopefully focus on India.
                   
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****************************************************************** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:30:32 -0600 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: News Source: The Rising Nepal

Maoists' Hack One to Death
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         A group of so-called Maoists murdered 35-year old Dal Bahadur Tochhaki Magar of Mahendrajhadi in Sindhuli district this morning. The group had attacked Magar with Khukuri knives when he was sleeping in his home, fired five rounds from a muzzle loader and then made off, say local officials. A police team reached the site as soon as news of the accident was received and a khukuri and an iron rod used in reloading the muzzle loader have been recovered.
         Among those in the group, eye witnesses have clearly recognized 21-year old Lila Bahadur Thapa Magar and Uttar Thapa Magar, 16, of Mahendrajhadi. The others, however, remain unidentified. Lila Bahadur Thapa Magar had been arrested along with ammunition and gun capes and was released on bail only recently. A search is going on for the others and possible exit points have been sealed off, police said.

Colombo Plan Members to Discuss Cooperation
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         A three-member Nepalis delegation is to participate in the 36th convention of the Colombo Plan consultative committee to be held in Colombo, Sri Lanka from Oct 29 to Nov 1, 1996. According to the National Planning Commission Secretariat, the general convention will hold discussions on copperation in strenghening technical training among Colombo Plan member countries and the current situation and future implications of international migratory labour and foreign employment among Colomb Plan Asian member countries with reference to the economic development of the member states.
        It may be recalled that Nepal has been a member of the Colombo Plan since 1952 and has been taking an active part in its activities. At present, 24 countries of the Asia-Pacific region are members of the Plan.

Thapa, Tshengren Discuss Party Ties
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     Kathmandu, Oct 27: President of the RPP (Rastriya Prajatantra Pary) and ex-Prime Minister Surya Bahadur Thapa held talks with vice minister of the Communist Party of China International Department Li Tshengren for two and half hours on Friday. On the occasion, the friendly relations between the two countries and bilateral relations between the RPP and the Chinese Communist Party were discussed.
     In course of the talks, an agreement was reached for inviting RPP party workers to observe and study the structure of the Chinese Communist Party and the party activities. Meanwhile, the RPP president and ex-Premier with other Nepali delegates Saturday morning visited the White Pagoda constructed by Nepali sculptor Arniko and observed Chinese acrobatics. Mr Tshengren was present on both occasions.
      The Nepali delegation led by RPP president Thapa also visited the Great Wall of China this morning. Royal Nepali ambassador Prof. Yubraj Pradhan held a dinner in honour of the Nepali delegation this evening. Officials of the Royal Nepal Embassy and Nepali working at different offices based in Bejjing were also present on the occasion.

RPP Team Returns
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     Kathmandu, Nov 2: The six-member delegation led by President of the RPP (Rastriya Prajatantra Party) Surya Bahadur Thapa returned home today after completing a 10-day visit to the People's Republic of China at the friendly invitation of the Chinese Communist Party. During the visit to China, the delegation visited Beijing, Sichuan, Senjin and Lhasa.
      Talking to the journalists at the airport, RPP President and ex-Prime Minister Thapa said that cordial relations had been developed between the RPP and the Chinese Communist Party through talks with the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party. Mr Thapa said that the Nepali delegation was very much impressed by the efforts being made in China for economic development and poverty alleviation. The delegation was welcomed by the Ministers, the RPP central office-bearers and workers at the Tribhuvan International Airport.

****************************************************************** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:30:32 -0600 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu From: aac103@ramail.angelo.edu Subject: News from Nepal suspended?

>From time to time, I try to keep myself updated on news from Nepal. For this
purpose I check out the Ktm. Post and The Independent. It must have been a long time because I tried to link my page to these two newspapers from Nepal and I was surprised to know the service has been suspended.

Does anyone know why the Independent is also playing shy now? The whole idea of Post trying to have some control seems ridiculous. It should feel honored that their service is being put to some benefit and geting wider dissemination through other newsgroup.

To me it just shows another aspect of "archaic" thoughts from Nepal.

Suren Shakya Angelo State University San Angelo, Texas aac103@ramail.angelo.edu http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6151

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****************************************************************** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:55:17 +0100 From: Sharma@wfp.org Subject: The Kathmandu Post To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
      Subject: 5. Kura Kani (Economics). Although the topic could be
    education or entertainment for some, it is business for those who have
    to take action. Hence the category!
     
     Could the Kantipur Publications put the Kathmandu Post on internet on
     a subscription basis? I have no doubt that most of the people who
     enjoyed reading TKP would be willing to pay $25 a year (the equivalent
     of local subscription price) for an access to the newspaper.

***************************************************************** Date: Thur, 14 Nov 1996 From: aiko <gs07aaj@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu

Namaskar! I have only recently logged onto TND at my school, and I was extremely delighted to have found your publication. I am a Korean-born Japanese married to a Nepali, and I am currently a graduate student at Georgia State University. I hope to go visit Nepal at the end of next year, and I eventually want to go there to study for my Ph.D, if possible. My undergraduate major was Cultural Anthropology, and my current program is Women's Studies. I would like to combine that with Anthropology and work with Asian women, in particular, So. Asian women and Japanese women. I enjoyed reading all the messages and comments. I hope I can join in in the various debates, and I hope to learn much from everyone esp. about Nepal and conditions in Nepal. Thank you! Pls. e-mail me at gs07aaj@panther.gsu.edu

*************************************************************** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 08:20:05 From: "Sagar Shakya" <sagar@hauser.com> To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu> Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - November 13, 1996 (30 Kartik 2053 BkSm)

          Dear Editor:

          Thank you very much for keeping me posted about the issues
          concerning Nepal. I am planning to move to a new job within
          next few days. Please discontinue any mail at my current
          email address. I will send you my new email as soon as I am
          settled at my new location.

          Sagar Shakya

**************************************************************** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: atuladhar@clarku.edu Subject: TND and "extension" of KPost? NO WAY...! To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>

Dear Editor:

You have recieved a lot of discussion on kpost suspension. Most of the contributors have condemned the pettiness of Kpost nd Mercantile while some have suggested some honorable rapproachment.

It seems Kpost thru Mercantile has not responded to proposals of honorable rapproachment viz TND putting permanent credit for Kpost articles in exchange for release from "permission for every posting" demand of Kpost. I urge TND to hold its ground here and not accede to the suggestion of some contributors that TND become "an extension of Kpost."

Tnd and Kpost are two different beasts really. TND is almost as old as Kpost and has a particular reputation forged with the vision of Rajpal's to create and MAINTAIN an electronic discussion forum on Nepal that is totally free and he has been successfull at making this forum truly "all of ours". Whether it is boring or provocative, lonely or gregarious, activist or hands-offish, political or prurient, it is directly a function of the reader and contributor's interest.

By contrast, Kpost was set up as a "private sector" (=for profit, as opposed to TND's for free flow of nepal discussion) competition to the blandness of the public newspapers like The Rising Nepal. As far as its blandness and political timidity before the powers in Nepal, it has succeeded immensely, curiosly "editing/censoring" out news of Dipendra's Olympic bills in favour of Nepali-American associations supining themselves over the god-kinglet dipendra, and treating us to salacious news of Moon Moon Sen entertating a parochial diplomat crowd in Indian Emabassy Nepal.

Kpost and Mercantile are both business organizations whose "voluntary efforts " are but investments with some risks for future gains. Look how Microsoft is making its Internet Explorer 3.0 "free" to cut the market share of Netsacpe from 95% to 75%. Mercantile and Kpost share a mutually benefical relationship by putting kpost up on the web. One the number of hits on south-aisa home page means more chances for business for all the other entities seeking advertising here. Kpost can increase its
"prestige" (note letters to editors from *readers in the INTERNET*) and higher advertising rates due to its reach into the INTERNET readers, who by definition and assumptions are well-off potential buyers. Well maybe the invetment went sour because Kpost and Mercantile were not generating enouf revenues in foreign subscriptions oor other sales to justify their investment (Mercantile charges by the Byte for informations transmitted thru its node, wonder if they made this free from kpost or if not maybe kpost did not get its retrun for all the money paid to mercantile, who knows this side of te story.) Strange in this little ettiness is how Kpost thinks its "below their shaan" to respond in their words why they have stopped posting kpost and have asked Sanjib rajbhandary to do all the talking, and I thought Kpost were full of professionals never short of journalistic eloquence.

It seems there is much more to kpost suspending on the web than the alleged tnd's "flagrance" and there is no need to surrender TND to be an extensions of Kpost whatever unreasonable demand it or mercantile makes, tnd should not be a business extension of some kathmandu interests.

it is not the end of the worldwith kpost suspension, we do have the AAMA home page where we can see TWO newspapers: Janmabhumi and Kathmandu Explorer and it is just a matter of time when we see other Nepali newspapers and other www nodes post daily news. Sure as an underdeveloped country, everything comes last especcially capital intensive technology and even high social cost: liberal attitude.

yours Amulya Tuladhar Clark University
  
********************************************************** To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: adopting a child from Nepal Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 10:54:26 EST From: rshresth@BBN.COM

Cross-posted from SCN:
---------------------

Hello,
        I would like information about whether it is possible right now for a U.S. citizen to adopt a child from Nepal, and would like to hear from anyone who's done this and has advice about how to go about it.
        I'm a single woman and am 45 years old. I do not think that a single parent is as good as two caring parents, but do think that I have a lot of love to give to a child. I'm asking about adoption from Nepal because I've visited there and have a little knowledge about Nepal's culture and history that I could share with the child when he or she is growing up and asks
"where did I come from."
        Would appreciate replies by e-mail.
        Thanks very much for your help.

        Dherai danyabad,
        Marian
        greenspan@umdsp.umd.edu

**************************************************************** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:47:32 EST To: info-tnd@nepal.org From: Sheila_Craig@Newbridge.com (Sheila Craig) Subject: Nepal Digest format/length

Dear Editors, I was disappointed to discover that I was unable to read the last half of the Nepal Digest (cut off because it was too long). In addition, there were some letters that would have been better served by being immediately broadcast to interested people, instead of being saved up for one long "digest".

I agree with Pradeep Bashyal that a (moderated) mailing list would be a better forum for the information provided in this digest. Mr Bashyal points out that more stimulating discussion on topics in the digest would be possible through a mailing list. I do hope you consider this alternative forum for the information provided in the Nepal Digest.

Regards, Sheila Craig

************************************************************* Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:37:54 EST To: a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu From: stdpss02@SHSU.edu Subject: Request for information.

Sir,

First of all I would like to thank you very much and all your subscribers for their prompt response to my request. I really do appreciate the help.

I would be very grateful if you or any subscriber working in the following fields would help me with some information which would help me very much in developing my future research.

1.Geographic Information Systems and /or its application to studies/work carried out in Nepal. 2.Environmetal studies - Planning, Management and Conservation work with relation to vegetation analysis.

Thank you very very much. Sincerely, Poonam Shrestha.

****************************************************************** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:11:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "C. Goldsmith" <cg10002@hermes.cam.ac.uk> To: The Editor <nepal-request@cs.niu.edu> Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - November 13, 1996 (30 Kartik 2053 BkSm)

I am amedical student who is planning seven weeks in Nepal for an elective next year. I would be very grateful if I could get a letter from anyone working in the medical profession over there so that I can get the necessary funding from Cambridge University. Can someone help???

Craig Goldsmith

************************************************************* From: bikash@MIT.EDU To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: Congratulations ! Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:07:07 EST

          Just a short note to congratulate Bhupesh Karki and Raju Pradhan
 -- both of Boston, Massachusetts -- on their being elected to the posts of the President and the Vice President of the Greater Boston Nepali Community
(GBNC).
          Having previously worked with Bhupesh and more so with Raju in GBNC-related and other matters, I would like to add -- quite on my own
 -- that both are not only very responsible and hardworking Nepalis, but are also sincerely dedicated to the betterment of the Boston Nepali Community. Congratulations too to the Boston Nepalis on their wise choice in leadership as they put together the plans to host the 1997 ANA Convention in Boston.
          Heartiest badhai to other elected members too -- to name but four of the other GBNC officers, to Mrs. Subarna Shakya, Sabeen Bania, Bibek Chapagain, and Dilip Parajuli. oohi ashu

************************************************************* To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: PLANE COLLISION Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 16:11:58 EST From: rshresth@BBN.COM

Cross-posted from SCN:
---------------------

Plane collision claims 9 NEPALESE................

The Saudi jumbo jet that collided with Kazakh plane on Tuesday has claimed all 351 that were on board. Charkhi Dadri, about 60 miles from West Delhi had its wheat and mustard fields filled with big craters, left body parts, bags and clothes strewn across six miles. The first people to arrive at the scene said the dusk air was filled with the unbearable stench of burninig flesh.

For those who were in Nepal when the THAI and the PIA crashed within a short period of time, its a reminder of that mourning period.

It's sad to notice that the plane collision claimed 9 NEPALESE along with 2 Americans, 1 Briton, 28 Kazakh, 11 Russian, 3 Pakistani, 1 Bangladesh and other Saudis.

The weather was reported normal except for the polluted skies from the fireworks set off in recent days to celebrate the Hindu holiday of Diwali that had thickened the haze.

Suman Sharma

************************************************************* Subject: A short piece of humor from ashu To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Rajesh B. Shrestha" <rshresth@BBN.COM>

                    Dissecting an op-ed
                     (just a short piece of humor)
                              by ashu

          I like reading opinion pieces and editorials (op-eds) that appear in Kathmandu's daily and weekly newspapers. Some op-eds are stimulating. Others are as boring as the sex life of dead cockroach. But how do you tell which is which? Here is a helpful guide.
          NEED-OF-THE-HOUR Op-eds: These are op-eds that treat every topic as though it deserved a need-of-the-hour urgency. "Eradicating poverty is the need of the hour" is one typical sentence. "A national consensus on the Mahakali Treaty is the need of the hour if all political parties are to be united for desh ko bikas" is another example. Written usually by desperate NGO-wallahs in search of a gullible donor, or by lazy policy-pundits who face little or no peer criticism inside Nepal, these op-eds often go unread because, well, reading them usually isn't any reader's need of the hour.
          SHOULD op-eds: Stating safe, risk-free truism is a style much favored by most Nepali PhD-daktar-shahebs and play-it-safe professionals. Often, a 'should op-ed' (usually found on the page four of +The Rising Nepal+ English daily, to name one example!) takes no risks, contains no insightful or even reasonably disagreeable thoughts, and is usually as bland as boiled potatoes. Two examples: "The government should uplift the poor", or "We should check against the influence of foreign TV channels". Rarely do these +Should-op-eds+ tell you just HOW the government may uplift the poor, or just WHY or HOW foreign channels need to be checked.
          SPECULATIVE op-eds: These are name-dropping op-eds that are basically high-class gossip. An example: "At a cocktail reception at the Indian Embassy yesterday, this scribe bumped into an Indian gentleman who thought that Nepal had gotten a fair deal on the Pancheswor Treaty. From this, it is clear that the South Block views the Treaty as being fair to Nepal." Notice the gossip, the speculation and the jump to conclusions! Of course, no hard evidence or cogent argument is ever provided. Nepali
 journalists who hate homework and research usually take this cock-tail route to writing op-eds.
          I-AM-REALLY-SMART op-eds: These are textbook-ish op-eds on serious topics (i.e. politics, society and economics) -- written merely to show off the knowledge that the writers allegedly possess. Readers are often urged to consult the -Journal of Interplanetary Economics- (Vol. IX, No. 3, page 226) or -The Mensa Quarterly- (Vol. LX, No. 6, page 90) for further elaboration of these writers' brilliant insight. The tone here is usually professorial, slightly condescending, but often delivered in a smarter-than-thou style.
          I-ARGUE op-eds: Ivy League hoodlums, who write as though they were out to impress the Yale Law School admissions committee, publish argumentative op-eds. These arguers live, breathe and sleep arguments -- and love being controversial, even when they are talking about issues untouched by controversies. Ultimately, however, these 'I-argue op-eds' start to be annoying and irritating not only because of their prosecutorial prose but also because you always get only a small slice of any topic at the expense of a fuller discussion.
          Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, now that you know the different categories of op-eds that exist, good luck in recognizing the ones you will continue to encounter in our daily and weekly newspapers. THE END

[Originally published on July 20, 1996 in The Kathmandu Post's Post Platform- section. Special thanks to Surendra Sthapit, Kavita Sherchan and Shailesh Gongal. However, humor, or if you call it that, expressed here is ashu's own].

**************************************************************** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 11:17:43 +1200 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu From: Naba Raj Devkota <N.R.Devkota@massey.ac.nz> Subject: To begin with...

Dear editor(s):

Quite away from the home, in this southern hemisphere, in the absence of any information and news, don't ask me about the role of TND to help us living possible. We are only three Nepalese family in this small inland city of Palmerston North, New zealand, and all are related with Massey University. Well, it is not my mission to introduce in detail about our situation, but a request for TND contributions thru variety of literatures if I be able to do so in the days to come. Hope you will help to link up us in the way we are doing....

To begin with...

Friends are scattered around the world, Minds are concentrated toward the goals, Eves and festivals are somehow with us, Back to home, it is always as such.

The modern life, busy schedules, and range of activities, New hope, new feelings, new mood and abilities? Busy, alone, in group, much and much, Back to home, it is always as such.

As such the fields, forest, and town, As such the plans and people are found, As such it was, but not now for us? Then why only to home it is always as such?
      Naba Raj Devkota Department of Plant Science, Level:2, Massey University, New Zealand Tel: 00 64 6 356 9099 7190 (Office)

*********************************************************** From: pcs@pcspc.mos.com.np To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:03:54 Subject: Computer Association of Nepal -INFO-TECH'97-IT Show & Conference

            INVITATION to CAN INFO-TECH'97
            ==============================
             Computer Association of Nepal (CAN) is organizing CAN INFO-TECH'97, an Information Technology Show and Conference in Hotel Blue Star, Kathmandu during 23-26 January, 1997. This is the third time that CAN is hosting such an event in order to proliferate the use of latest technology in the country. Events like this will bring IT professionals, institutions and users under one roof and creates a platform to exchange new ideas. For people who happen to be in Nepal during the event, it provides an opportunity to see the status of IT Technology in Nepal by visiting the site of the Show & Conference.

Through The Nepal Digest, we would like to invite all interested persons to come to Hotel Blue Star, Tripureswore, Kathmandu during 23- 26 Jan, 1997 10:00 am to 6:00 pm. It is expected that all international industry leaders will be represented in the technology show with their national representatives. Local IT companies will also make their presence with their Hardware, Software and Communication products.

        CALL FOR PAPERS FOR INFO-TECH'97 CONFERENCE
        ===========================================
         CAN is organizing an IT conference for the first time in Nepal during the same time as the show. Technical research papers are requested from all IT professionals on recent topics of IT. Papers will be published in the form of Proceedings. The papers to be read during the conference should reach CAN on or before December 15, 1996.

Any enquiries with regard to the conference should be made to Mr. Lochan Amatya, Vice President, Computer Association of Nepal, Bagbazaar, Kathmandu, Nepal. Phone: +977-1-416600(Office), +977-1-524645(Res.), Fax: +977-1-417700 Email: INFOTECH@mos.com.np
        Any other enquiries regarding CAN INFO-TECH'97 can be made to
    Bijaya Krishna Shrestha,
    President, Computer Association of Nepal
    Bagbazaar, Kathmandu, Nepal
    Phone : +977-1-249285(Off.), +977-1-244211(Res.)
    Fax: +977-1-249059
    Email: beltronx@wlink.com.np
    
        or
    
    Suresh K. Regmi
    General Secretary, Computer Association of Nepal
    Bagbazaar, Kathmandu, Nepal.
    Phone : +977-1-416478(Off.), +977-1-470234(Res.)
    Fax: +977-1-249059
    Email: pcs@pcspc.mos.com.np

Suresh K. Regmi Professional Computer System P. Ltd. (PCS) Kha 2-216, Kasaa Chhen, Putalisadak, Kathmandu, Nepal Voice: +977-(1)-416478 Fax: +977-(1)-224710 Email: pcs@pcspc.mos.com.np

****************************************************************** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:22:51 MST To: mailto:nepal-request@cs.niu.edu ; From: Mohan Dangi <mdangi16@odi.cwc.whecn.edu> Subject: Thank you The Nepal Digest

Dear Sir Editor Nepal Digest
        I live in Wyoming and we are about five of us from Nepal are currently here in this college. We all are very enthusiastic to hear any items or topics of Nepal in this small community of populatin of about 10,000. We all, one way or other have been participating in community involvement as well as college leadership, here in Riverton.
        We always share our ideas of our country's ethnic and religious culture. In fact, people in this part of the state keep a great interest to know more about the only Himalayan and Hinduism country, Nepal. Myself, I have been to several Native Indian reservations and schools to share and present about my country. It is being very helpful to interchange our cultural beliefs.
        Nepal Digest was being very helpful for this kind of information, but not anymore after May '96. The reason behind it was the change of all e-mail account system in our college. We lost our account, now we have new account. In the old account system, I always used to get each publication of Nepal Digest in my account. If you can, would you please do that again in my present account (mdangi16@odi.cwc.whecn.edu)! We all will appreciate for your help.
        Thank you very much!!!

Sincerely Yours' Mohan Dangi
 
**************************************************************** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:28:42 PST To: nepal-request@cs.niu.edu From: Anil Tuladhar <tuladhar@unixg.ubc.ca> Subject: Complain to Himal Magazine

This note is meant to express my profound dissatisfaction and criticism against Himal Magazine, Vol 9, No 7, September 1996. The magazine illustrated its poor quality of editing and lack of research effort by including an article with a heading "Virtual Vitriol" (page 28).

That article was on the issue of my tussle with Dr. Jai. Maharaj in the inet. Himal somehow came across my posting and without knowing what this was all about, wrote the article bending the meanings I wanted to convey to something totally unacceptable. Himal went so far that he labeled my postings as a result of bigotry and mistrust.

Most of you are familiar with the awkward postings Dr. Jai makes in our SCN from time to time. My posting was in response to one of such mean postings of Dr. Jai. He was ranting relentlessly that all the South Asian countries should unite under the umbrella of India. He posted one article repeatedly mentioning that Nepal and Pakistan were trying to destabilize India. Those postings made me mad and I posted the article teaching him something about the history of Nepal. He then stopped posting anymore. But then someone named Prasanna Vijay Pendse started to reply to my posting. He was upset by my style of writing (which was bad, I do admit). He said most of the good things and my tussle with Jai on that subject just ended there only.

Himal Magazine read my postings and also read the postings by Prasanna. Himal confused Prasanna with Dr. Jai Maharaj and wrote the article portraying me as a bigot and quoting everything Prasanna said as Dr. Jai's reply. This is simply too much. The damage done to my reputation is incalculable. I hereby expect public apologies from Himal Magazine in this regard. The following are the mistakes made by Himal:

i) Himal grabbed the postings without knowing the context and without consulting me decided to publish it in their magazine. As everyone can understand thet the way we write in a news group is totally different from the way we write for a magazine.

ii) Himal did not include the first article posted by Jai in SCN. This made my remarks less relevant. Further Himal cut and pasted my message in such a way that some of the remarks I made against Jai were ommitted. Some the remarks Prasanna made against Jai were also ommitted.

iii) Himal confused Prasanna with Jai. A big mistake. Shame!
  iv) Himal misunderstood the message behind my postings. My rather patriotic message was labeled as a bigotry and mistrust.

I would like Himal Magazine to post the apologies in the following news groups with proper clarifications.

soc.culture.nepal soc.culture.india soc.culture.srilanka soc.culture.pakistan soc.culture.bangaladesh clari.world.asia.southeast

I also want assurance from Himal that such mistake will not be repeated in future.

Anil

****************************************************************** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:36:44 EST To: The Editor <nepal-request@cs.niu.edu> From: "Dilip K. Chhetri" <chhetrid@enc.edu> Subject: Hello and help to disseminate Conference message (fwd)

Hello

I would really appreciate it very much if you could post the following message on tnd one more time.

thanks chhetrid@enc.edu

"Call for Papers- International Conference on Anthropology and Sociology of Nepal: Cultures, Societies, Development and Ecology, March 16-19, 1997. The Sociological/Anthropological Society of Nepal (SASON) and the Department of Sociology/Anthropology, Tribhuvan University are asking for paper submission for the above conference to be held in Kathmandu, Nepal, March 16-19, 1997 (In HIMAL the date published was 25-28 and this has been changed now).Interested researchers, students and professionals with Nepal experience are invited to participate in the conference. Abstracts of papers for the conference should be received by October 30, 1996. The deadline for submission of papers is January 15, 1997. If you have suggestions for Special Sessions, send details on topics and potential participants. More information will be sent to you after we receive your abstracts. Send abstracts and papers (with your full address) to: Dr. Ram Bahadur Chhetri, President, SASON, P.O.Box 6017, Kathmandu, Nepal. e-mail: human@ecology.wlink.com.np

Note: "Please send abstracts only by e-mail. In Nepal, we have to pay for both in-coming as well as out-going e-mail. So, please do not send long messages or papers by e-mail". I hope your studies are fine.Have you received letters throug Suresh.He is really a fine man. Please update me on your plans for graduate studies. I was interviewed on telephone (from Noragric) as one of the three shortlisted candidate for Associate Prof.(Social Anthro) for Agricultural Univ of Norway. I have not heard more.I will let you know if there is any news on the subject.This is all for today. Thank you for the help. Love from baba.

BERGEN-TRIBHUVAN HUMAN ECOLOGY PROGRAMME, c/o Royal Norwegian Consulate, Box 1045, Kathmandu, Nepal.

Tel.: +977-1- 52 67 81 or 53 52 69 Fax: +977-1- 52 17 20 E-mail: human@ecology.wlink.com.np

******************************************************************** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:49:13 GMT To: tnd@nepal.org From: "Saburo Shiozaki" <SaburoChigasaki@msn.com> Subject: About ruling party

I am Shiozaki from Japan. Please teach me the name of the ruling party and the prime minister a t Nepal now. SaburoChigasaki@msn.com

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