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The Nepal Digest Wednesday 9 Nov 94: Kartik 23 2051 BkSm Volume 33 Issue 6

  Today's Topics are:

          1. KURA_KANI: Education - Re: Education et. al.
                              Social - Re: Women in Hinduism
                              Religion - Re: Entry in Pasupatinath
                                         Re: Christianity in Nepal

          2. TAJA_KHABAR: News From Nepal

          3. JAN_KARI: Nepali novels?
                              Himalayan Conference

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*********************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:08:25 -0500 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: Questions on Nepali novels From: KARMAS01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU

Namaste!

I have few questions about Nepali novels traslated to English.

1. Are there any Nepali novels translated to English besides " Wake of the
   White Tiger" ? (Is that the right title ?)

2. Has any other Novel of Diamond S JBR translated to English ?

3. How many novels has Diamond SJBR written ? ( As far as I remember,
   he has written Basanti, Seto Bagh, and Anita.) Are there more ?

4. Any info about Diamond Shumsher JBR ?

I would really appreciate any response (partial or otherwise).

Thanks in Advance Sagun Karmacharya
 
************************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:09:54 -0500 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu From: pant arun dev <pant@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Education, et al...

(It's good to see the recent positive, issue oriented tilt of the newsgroup)

        What started out as an exposition of a particular school's characteristics has turned into a lively debate about educational worth in general. The issue seems to have boiled down to equity in use of educational resource within the socio-economic framework.

        What I see is Catch 22 scenario. It is imperative to provide general education for all but at the same time there should be opportunities to exploit inherrent talent to the fullest. By allocating all resource to basic education, the country may begin to lag behind in trying to survive and gain opportunities from a fast developing, technology oriented world. However,by subsidising few 'elitist' schools, the government may be held accountable for social injustice.

        Despite the maxim ' greatest good for the greatest number' I hold the view that there should be a balanced approach to development of educational facilities. In other words, concept of 'quality education' may be at odds with purely economic reasoning (though it would be interesting to see someone with sound economic background attempting to evaluate marginal utility of resources invested into BKS from a social viewpoint).----- It does not mean that BKS is an example of this balanced approach. Nevertheless, one must accept the fact that its very existense has become its "raison d'etre". It may not have been a wise investment from the part of the government but handing it to private developers will not simply will the problem away. Unlike comparisons made with the leading schools in the west that can afford to charge enough tuition to maintain themselves, BKS cannot run at its present level of relative academic excellence and at the same time be a profitable private venture
(Unless some convoluted 'donation' schemes come to play - hardly mitigating the problem at hand).

******************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:12:39 -0500 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: Education, et al... From: tiwari@fas.harvard.edu (Ashutosh Tiwari)

pant arun dev <pant@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:

> What I see is Catch 22 scenario. It is imperative to provide
>general education for all but at the same time there should be
>opportunities to exploit inherrent talent to the fullest.

Yes, but why not let the private sector have the "opportunities to exploit
[the] inherent talents to the fullest"? As it is, there are many private schools that are producing quality-graduates anyway. Isn't it IMPRACTICAL for the government to DUPLICATE the work of the private sector?

>By allocating
>all resource to basic education, the country may begin to lag behind in
>trying to survive and gain opportunities from a fast developing,
>technology oriented world. However,by subsidising few 'elitist' schools,
>the government may be held accountable for social injustice.

Yes, to make sure that "country [does not] lag behind . . . [in this] fast developing, technology-oriented world" is to make the PRIVATE SECTOR the engine of economic growth.

> Despite the maxim ' greatest good for the greatest number' I hold
>the view that there should be a balanced approach to development of
>educational facilities.

"Balanced approach" is fine. But just WHAT is it?

In other words, concept of 'quality education'
>may be at odds with purely economic reasoning (though it would be
>interesting to see someone with sound economic background attempting to
>evaluate marginal utility of resources invested into BKS from a social
>viewpoint).-----

I do not see how the concept of 'quality education' MAY BE at odds with purely economic reasoning. The main issue here is HOW to INVEST foreign aid to have HIGHER educational returns; is 10 BKS grads a year is enough, or could the country get more by wisely allocating the same amount of capital? That's the question we've been trying to answer . . .

>Unlike comparisons made with the
>leading schools in the west that can afford to charge enough tuition to
>maintain themselves, BKS cannot run at its present level of relative
>academic excellence and at the same time be a profitable private venture
>(Unless some convoluted 'donation' schemes come to play - hardly
>mitigating the problem at hand).

With all due respect, I beg to differ with you. There are ways to privatize schools such costly schools; some ways are better than others. Examples abound all over the world.

In any case, I am not saying that turning the school into private hands would make it better or even profitable; but simply that the RESOURCES of the state would be free to be spent on other needed ventures. As a citizen, what BKS does is not my immediate concern; but what Nepal government does, is. And I do not like Nepal government meddling foreign aid on one school, when, there're other pressing needs of the society.

namaste ashu

********************************************************************** Date: 7 Nov 1994 15:23:17 U From: "Arun Shrestha" <Arun_Shrestha@grg.unh.edu> Subject: News To: "TND " <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>

3 KILLED IN DANG FIRING

(The Kathmandu Post, Nov 7, 1994)

Kathmandu - Two more CPN (UML) supporters died of bullet wounds here sunday, bringing the death toll in the November 3 Dang shooting incident to three.

Pushpa Ghimire and Krishna Bahadur Chaudhary, who were earlier airlifted to the capital from Nepalgunj succumbed to bullet injuries Saturday. The UML held a condolence meeting at the Open Theatre in central Kathmandu Sunday where the bodies of the deceased were laid for those who wished to pay their last respects.

One UML activist, Narayan Chaudhary was killed on the spot, 27 others were injured, 12 with bullet wounds in Bijauri, Dang where police opened fire at a group of communist supporters on November 3.

The police were attempting to block a march by UML activists to the local NC office following a violent incident between supporters of the two parties on the previous day.

One NC activist died of injuries when he was beaten by unidentified assailants on October 27, also in Dang.

Meanwhile, seven seriously wounded persons from among the 12 who sustained bullet injuries have been brought to the capital for medical treatment.

According to a despatch from Nepalgunj, the superintendent of the zonal hospital Dr Durga Pradhan said the seven were referred to Kathmandu because doctors there were unable to remove the bullets lodged in their bodies.

What happened:

The build-up to the incident began on November 2, when supporters of CPN (UML) allegedly pelted ruling Nepali Congress rally in nearby village of Lamsoti in Dang's No.3 constituency.

In retalliation, NC supporters also allegedly pelted the local UML office. On November 3, a group of UML supporters led by party candidate Shankar Pokharel, former UML MP Shivaraj Gautam and local leader Shrimani Acharya marched towards the local NC office but were blocked by the police.

Police DSP Surya Dhoj Khand, who was there, said he tried in vain to stop the march from reaching the NC office but UML supporters were adamant and unruly.

He said the police first resorted to lathi charge, then fired tear gas shells to disband the crowd. "At that moment, a stone hit me on the head and I fell unconsious. I later came to know that policemen had fired the crowd."

DSP Khand maintained that his force had resorted to firing only as a last measure. The shooting instantly claimed the life of Narayan Chaudhary, a UML supporter, and seriously wounded a number of others.

But ex-UML MP Shivaraj Gautam who is undergoing treatment in Kathmandu said Sunday that NC supporters from the NC office started pelting UML cadres, even while the police were trying to restrain the marchers.

"They were the first to fire weapons and a number of pellets struck our supporters," he said. Gautam alleged that Minister for Works and Transport Khum Bahadur Khadka was inside the NC office and was responsible for inciting the shooting.

However, Minister Khadka told our Nepalgunj reporter that he was not present at the site and was away at his in-laws place when the shooting began.

Meanwhile, NC Dang unit president Gehendra Giri accused UML leaders Shivaraj Gautam and Giriraj KC of shooting Nepal Student's Union central member Kumar Lamichhaney and supporters Basanta KC and Manoj Rajauria who are reported as injured.

UML held a condolence meeting for Narayan Chaudhary in Tribhuvannagar, Dang on November 5 where they lambasted the government for the shooting. RPP members spoke at the meeting.

Five election related deaths have been confirmed by now, in the run up to the November 15 mid-term polls.

___________________ Editorial in VISHWOBHOOMI on Dang Firing
(Nov 7, 1994)

Three persons were killed in the mid-poll related two-day fighting in Dang. Conditions of other injured persons are also serious. The incident has become more serious because of the new reports which claim that the firing was not opened by the police but by the NC activists. The reports of the involvement of a minister in this incident has aggrevated to make the situation more grave. Before this incident, there were reports of election related three deaths. The election related voilences have clearly indicated that the forth- coming election will not be peaceful. Voilence has already gripped 3-4 districts. It is difficult to say that it will not have subsequent counter-effects in other districts. As far as Dang incident is concerned, it has been evident that the activists of the ruling party have used arms. Furthermore, a present minister and his sidekicks have opened fire. The present minister is chaired only for conducting the election peacefully and fairly. If the responsible persons like the ministers and his accomplices come down to the arena of voilence, it would be futile to hope that others will try to restore peace. At last, it is not possible to clap with one hand.

_______________________ GANESHMAN'S 80th BIRTHDAY
(The Kathmandu Post, Nov 7, 1994)

Kathmandu (RSS) - 'Nepal Rastriya Abhinandan Samiti' (National Felicitations Committee) felicitated Ganesh Man Singh, who has been honoured with the International Human Rights Award, on the occasion of his 8oth birthday at his residence in Chhetrapati Sunday.
_______________________ HEADLINES FROM THE KATHMANDU POST (Nov 7, 1994)

 "UML to keep very good ties with India"
 PM denies backing rebel candidates
 NSP charges NC on code of conduct

********************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:10:38 -0800 To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu From: bhushan@Tanner.COM (Bhushan Mudbhary) Subject: Entry to Pashupati Nath temple

Sorry folks, but I maintain that "no Hindu, no Enter" policy for Pashupati to be quite valid. Of course I am a pundit, no pun intended. You ever walk into a Catholic church with your "tikas" and tried to get summa that comunion action. No dice bro, it's a pope thang. And if you aint in with the crowd in tha Vatican, no eatin on ol' Jesus' blood and flesh.

And how 'bout them Muslim brothers. Ya'l ever want to do the Mecca. I am sure the Saudis would understand.

Come on! Why do you care to "participate" in other peoples' relegion. If it is some global understanding you are after, try humanity, it has worked well for me. Religion are by defintion an almost private club.

And about Pasupathi, why do non-hindus want to enter anyway. Idle curisoity..most likely. Don't tell me that you seek lord Shiva, I don't, and if I did I sure has hell wouldn't go to a temple to find him. Examine your beliefs if you feel left out.

Pasupathinath is a place of worship, for folks like my grandmother, who in her own simple way gives existence to all 33 million Hindy dieites daily, let her worship without you bothering her.

Bhushan

************************************************************************** Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 11:43:10 CST To: a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu From: sbshah@gumbo.bae.lsu.edu (Sanjay B. Shah) Subject: Re-edited Re: Christianity in Nepal

With regard to Mr.Leal's commentary regarding Christianity in Nepal, following are my comments. There was very little that I experienced personally. Most of it, I gathered second hand during conversations with friends.
(1) The spread of christianity is more pronounced in the eastern region of Nepal
(2) Contrary to what Mr. Leal heard, foreigners might be involved - mainly ethnic Nepalese settled in NE India.I do not know whether they are acting independently or otherwise.
(3) Incentives are offered in many cases. I have experienced much of this first hand in India, where I did most of my schooling in a Jesuit school(St. Michael's, Patna).There were subtle pressures. I do not think that happened in St. Mary's in Nepal, at that time,
 Nepalese authorities were very strongly opposed to conversions, even voluntary

When I was younger, I felt bad when people abandoned their traditional religion for whatever reasons.Now I feel that the Hindus need to put their own house in order. A desperate man will clutch at any support he gets to meet his family's needs.Spiritulism does not fill an empty stomach or restore a man's dignity. This happened of all the places,in the US. Afro-Americans converted to Islam, because they hoped, as muslims they would be able to lead dignified lives. Sanjay B. Shah sbshah@gumbo.bae.lsu.edu
    
********************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:13 EST From: ATULADHAR@vax.clarku.edu Subject: HIM Net news on Nepal To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Source: IN%"HimNet@erdw.ethz.ch" 31-OCT-1994 09:06:29.47
 
#03 Conference Information - Himalayan/Tibetan Plateau Paleoclimate Workshop
                From: Cameron Wake (c_wake@unh.edu)
  FIRST CIRCULAR
  International Himalayan/Tibetan Plateau Paleoclimate Workshop
  2-7 April, 1995 Kathmandu, Nepal
  Sponsored by the US National Science Foundation and IGBP - PAGES
  Organized by:
  Paul Mayewski and Cameron Wake, Glacier Research Group, Institute for the Study of Earth, Oceans and Space, University of New Hampshire; & Sharad Adhikary, Himalayan Climate Center, Kathmandu, Nepal
  Background:
 
        The highlands of central Asia possess a diversity of natural archives and historical records from which detailed paleoclimatic records can be developed (e.g., lake sediments, loess, tree rings, ice cores, glacier fluctuations, geomorphologic features). Despite this potential, relatively little is known concerning climatic changes in the region over time scales ranging from centuries to hundreds of thousands of years. This is especially significant given the critical role that the highlands of central Asia play in the development and intensity of the Asian monsoon, and the importance of the Asian summer monsoon in providing life sustaining rains to a considerable portion of the worlds' population.
  Objectives:
 
        The International Himalayan/Tibetan Plateau Paleoclimatic Workshop is intended to provide a forum where researchers from Asia, Australia, Europe and North America will synthesize and stimulate an interdisciplinary investigation of paleoclimate in the highlands of central Asia. It is expected that workshop participants will produce a substantive summary and interpretation of existing paleoclimate records, followed by a Science and Implementation Plan that would include: research objectives, implementation (e.g., potential funding sources, international cooperation) and potential results. All workshop participants are encouraged to bring, discuss and share their data with other workshop participants.
  Sessions and Submission of Abstracts:
 
        The workshop will be held from 2 to 7 April, 1995. Arrival in Kathmandu is expected on 2 April. Invited lectures will be given on 3 and 4 April. An excursion to the Kathmandu Valley is planned for 5 April. On the 6 and 7 of April, workshop participants will break up into smaller groups in order to discuss particular issues relating to paleoclimate research in the highlands of central Asia and work on writing the Science and Implementation Plan.
 
        Those workshop participants who are not giving oral presentations are encouraged to bring posters. In addition, informal presentations are encouraged during the working meetings on 6 and 7 of April.
 
        We are also requesting all workshop participants to send in an abstract. This will allow us to determine the interests and expertise of the attendees. Deadline for submission of abstracts is 15 January 1994.
  Banquet and Excursions:
 
        All workshop participants are invited to a banquet, hosted by the organizers, which will take place on the evening of 4 April. This will be followed on Wednesday 5 April by a tour of Kathmandu and the hills surrounding the Kathmandu Valley. This will provide the opportunity to view some of the large Himalayan Peaks.
 
        In addition, members of the Himalayan Climate Center will be able to help make any travel arrangements for workshop participants who are interested in trekking, rafting, visiting Royal Chitwan National Park, etc., either before or after the workshop.
  Important Dates:
  15 October 1994
        Mailing of Second circular to those who have replied to the first circular.
         Call for Abstracts 15 January 1995
        Abstract Deadline 15 February 1995
        Mailing of Third Circular with Abstracts 2-7 April 1995
        International Himalayan/Tibetan Plateau Paleoclimatic Workshop
 
        We would be grateful if you could pass on any information about this workshop to colleagues you feel would be interested. Note that our invitation list for this workshop include the following disciplines (as they relate to paleoclimatology): meteorology, hydrology, atmospheric modelling, dendroclimatology, sedimentology (especially laminated sediments), ice core research, glaciology, remote sensing and historical records. We look forward to meeting you in Kathmandu.
  For Further Information, contact:
  Cameron Wake
  Glacier Research Group EOS-Morse Hall University of New Hampshire Durham, NH 03824-3525 USA
  Telephone: 603-862-2329 Fax: 603-862-2124 E-Mail: c_wake@unh.edu
 
 
#05 Tibetan E-Mail Newslist
                From: Ed Sobel (wardo@pangea.Stanford.EDU)
 
        There is an email news list for information on Tibet from all over the world, especially for political and cultural news. It is called World Tibet News (WTN). They send out one or more postings a day in the form of a list server. Submissions to the editor are welcome.
 
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#14 Just back from the Himalayas.........
                From: Cameron Wake (c_wake@unh.edu)
 
        I have recently returned from a glaciological field research expedition in the Hidden Valley region of central Nepal, just north of Dhaulagiri. This small isolated valley has a base elevation of 5050m and was an ideal location for a field course entitled "Monitoring Climate Change: Himalayan Field Glaciology Course" offered by the University of New Hampshire. During the month of August, I was accompanied by five students from the University of New Hampshire and a hydrologist from the Department of Hydrology and Meteorology in Kathmandu. Our field research included investigations of: (1) snow and aerosol chemistry; (2) spatial and temporal variations of precipitation; (3) resurvey of the snout of the Rikha Samba Glacier (to provide a record of glacier fluctuation since the original Japanese survey in 1974); (4) glacier mass balance studies including measurements of ice thickness on the Rikha Samba Glacier; (5) meteorology; and (6) the Thakali language. As part of this research expedition, the students and I will be compiling the results of our research into a final report that should be completed by December 1994. Several of the papers will also be submitted for publication in peer reviewed journals. If you would like to receive a copy of the our final report, or are interested in more information on University of New Hampshire - Himalayan Field Research Courses, please contact me at the address below.
  Cameron Wake Glacier Research Group Institute for the Study of Earth, Oceans and Space University of New Hampshire Durham, NH 03824 USA
 
 
#15 Himavanta
                From: David A. Spencer (DASpencer@erdw.ethz.ch)
 
        Himavanta is India's only mountaineering monthly and is published by the Himalayan Academy (Calcutta). Subscription is US$ 12 per year. For further information, contact Kamal Kumar Guha, 63 E. Mohanidrban Road, Calcutta 700029, India. The magazine has articles about many expeditions to the Indian Himalayas.

****************************************************************** From: dk@accunix.wjc.edu (Diwas Khati - student) Subject: Pashupatinath To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:51:04 -0500 (EST)

The only advantage I can think of on opening the doors of Pashupati to non-Hindus, usually foreign tourists, is that we have access to one more of DA Zone (DA is short for DRUG ADDICTS'), and many more, both Hndus and non-Hindus alike, will have the lifetime opportunity of doing marijuana and hashish alongwith Pashupati nath and other babajees. Anyone thought of this ?

**************************************************************** Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:59:27 -0500 (EST) From: Nirmal Ghimirez <NGH42799Q236@DAFFY.MILLERSV.EDU> To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: women in Hinduism

The more I read Mr. Mishra's article more I find to comment upon. I think I can write a book commenting on that,but alas I do not have the time.At the end of article (6) he states that,"A hindu girl marries her husband's job,his last name,the red dust in her hair." If Mr. Mishra would look at this with a little insight ,I guess there is much than that. Acoording to Hinduism the character of the person is the first priority, it know where says about the job of the person. And many look at the boy himself rather than his wealth or job while handing over their daughter. But there are incidents when some have been married due to wealth.But, what I don't understand is why is Hinduism blamed for this. Anything that happens bad in our society is due to Hinduism,this seems to be Mr. Mishra's saying.Red dust is a symbol for marriage and I guess it is nothing to degrade women.But she is married not to husband's job ,but rather to start a new stage of life.If she were to be married to her husband's job then what about the unemployed Hindus, all would remain bachelors.

I now want to comment on Mr. Mishra's article (7).I felt that if one were only to read Mr.Mishra's article, one would get a very bad impression and would not know the difference between Hinduism and male domination by some Hindus.Secondly,I saw the notion that some people thought that women were not respected in Hinduism. The truth is "women are respected in Hinduism," but many Hindu males have taken advantage of women in the name of religion(to do that people started giving new interpertation to religion , in their advantage) and so today we see that many have wrong conception of Hinduism.Mr. Mishra states that,"Let us marry her before she makes a choice." I think there are very few families who would not want their daughters to study and who would fear if she did study. The parents would be more happy.And there are few who do not want like that ,and maybe Mr..Mishra saw them only and made no haste in concluding that it is due to Hinduism.I frankly think parents want their daughter to get married at a certain age.Due to this reason they suggest her, her studues are not stopped because they fear she would rebel.Why are somany girls in Nepal uneducated is not due to Hinduism, but due to poverty and lack of government planning. He further states,"A hindu lived for prestige, went to college for prestige, held a job for prestige." Don't get confused between morals and prestige. The basic reason for education is to discriminate. So,the aim of Hinduism is not to be a rationalt intellectual but to be a wise person.Not only to gaather knowledge but have wisdom. Education basically is a tool for discrimination between right and wrong from the Hindu perspective.And life itself is a battlefield and one is suppose to overcome temptaions, that is where morality comes. And this is both for men and women.So,Hinmduism does not discriminate women in education.Taking some incidents, and symbolizing that with women's status in Hinduism, is not a fair way of criticsm. Mr.Tilak was a Hindu male from India who stared education for women and widow marriage. Afterall Hindu male somtimes do good as well,seriously he had no personal reasons for this besides to do the good deed. When Draupadi was insulted she took an oath and her husbands also promised to help her. When Kaikai asked Ram to go on exile, Dasrath agreed.So, in Hinduism Women are not inferior, they are copartners and have a high status.

So, I hope we can understand the difference between Hinduism and male domination in some Hindu society. According to Mr.Mishra's article Hinduism for women seems to be worse than even H Hitler's Camps.And any women who believes in Hinduism or is inHindu society is doomed. I am seriously saying if a Hindu girl unknown of her religion reads this article she will give up Hinduism due to fear. And we may find many Hindu women fearing, realizing what theyare in Hindu society according to ther article.Many may revolt against the religion or against Hindus. At least some should, because the article is presented in such a way that it gives no meaning to women in Hinduism and degrades them to the least.I fear that some women may have completely negative impact in their psyche due to misunderstanding and some may fear what is next, because according to Mr. Mishra women are under constant degradation from birth to death. And many people who hardly know any thing about Hinduism,may just take this statement for granted and feel that Women in Hinduism are treated as such. Trying to blame Hinduism for women's status in Hindu society today is only a act of an escapist.The truth is that it is our thinking and limitedness, which has made it so."Hinduism gave a very respectful status to women", but maybe many males due to their ego could not accept this and misinterperated it. They wanted to take advantage and so they did. If you look at the history women werte supressed in every part of the world.Even in this country of liberty not many years ago they were not allowed to vote. Many were burnt thinking that they were witches.Revolution has to be made not in Hinduism but in our society, and in our limitedness of mind.Times are changing and today there are many males in hindu society to regard females as equal.Ofcourse it is a process, and sooner we begin the better it is.And there are many positive attributes being a hindu women, to think that is domination orit has some rasoning behind it is ofcouse in individuals choice. Today's Hindu women have a big challenge. To break the unnecessary barrier created by
 the society and at the same time discriminate between the good and bad between both societies. For, everything that glitters is not diamond.
"Hinduism" is open as democracy no bar of caste, creed or sex.If some misuse it it cannot be blamed. And the truth till today is that "women in Hinduism" are respected and they have a high status .

So, seeing the societies mistakes and blaming the religion is not the approach to
 to constructing a positive society. Many hindu males have taken advantage of females females due to ignorance, egoand circumstances.The concept and thinking must change. And Hindu women must be proud of being one,and not fear of being Hindu.For it is some people and not religion that is scaring them. Hinduism is a source,inspiration and guide to both male and female for a better society. I however have never denied that the status of women is bad and especially in third world countries. But it is not religion, but the government,ignorance, poverty and closed thinking. I finally would say it is mental revolution than anything else that we need.Let us not blame religion for the past but let us us admit the mistakes and take a new step.Thanks.

***************************************************************** Date: 07 Nov 94 23:32:41 EST Subject: Kura_kani To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Kura-Kani from Hridaya Bahracharya
<hridaya_bajracharya@sec.educ.ualberta.ca> ---

REGARDING Kura_kani

More about Women and Hinduism

Lately there has been a flow of postive comments directed to the issue of women and hinduism as exposited by Pramod Mishra. There is no doubt, now after reading Pramod's explanation to his background, that he meant a healthy humanitarian improvement in the hindu society. Many of the commentators however still disagreed with Pramod on the ground that the individual attitudes and behaviors cannot be considered collective hindu attitude and behavior. I don't see problem in this proposition, and would have joined the party, if there were better collective norms different from the individuals. In the absence of such better collective norms and a means of validating such norms practically, the average of the visible individual norms will continue to represent the group's norm. For example such happenings are quite common and visible in the society -- when a high class hindu marries a low caste person, he or she would be immediately excommunicated from the caste circle starting from home. However, if a high caste hindu marries a 12 year old daughter to a dying old of 80 of the same caste no excommunication would be invovled. Is anybody excommunicated on the basis of dowry burning? Is anybody excommunicated on the basis of wife abuse or polygamy? Is a caste hindu male excommunicated on the basis of his character such as visiting brothel or keeping rakkhail? Can a caste hindu woman escape the wrath of excommunication or even physical abuse based on her sexual character image which may or may not be of her own making. To hear stories of girls remaining unmarried because of failed love affairs are not unusual in hindu society but the converse is very rare. Can a person affiliated with the society that we claim hindu disown such rectified attitudinal norms? The issue is not only of the formal relationships such as marriage, even in the distanced interaction such as in hindu festivities such thing come out blatantly. Take for example the festival of Holi, there is no place that could be called a town in India and Nepal where the bravest of the female hearts would not be intimidated. In Nepal, closing of the campuses and schools are not taken as shocking action during this time. This may be an extreme case of the chaotic behaviour tolerated in hindu norms, nonetheless, this is a window which give a view of unreasonable norms that are plenty in the house that we call hinduism. And such windows give flashes of what awaits for the hindu girl while she is growing. Inevitably, most girls mature with a fear psychosis of male hostility. A simple gesture of underdue respect becomes a big help for the women, a gesture of equal treatment becomes larges. To submit to such person who show sign of respect and larges becomes but natural for the women. The freedom and equality of the context to shine in the context come in natural way only for Durga Bhavani. However even likhure aire can easily stake his superior position because of being caste male. I am tempted to give an example of my own loss of peace of mind in recent time when I was in Nepal. Because my neice was going to a college which is at least 40 minutes walk from home, I suggested her that I buy her a cycle of her choice so she can save time and her effort. She reluctantly agreed. Her reluctance was because of what she had been seeing -- all kinds of hassles, hooting, tooting, deflating the tire etc. There were some brave girls who had been taking cycles facing all those hurdles. I gave her their example and encouraged to bolden up. After some recurrence of having to tow the deflated cycle and one occurence of intended near serious accident she abandoned her zeal to face the situation. It was not her isolated case. Many of her friends who preferred to devote more time to study than take the stand of facing the mindboggling humiliation had to live lives of submission and reclusion. Certainly, there must be lots of hindu fathers, uncles, brothers, friends, and husbands who wish for a better, caring, and human world for their daughters, neices, sisters, friends and wives. But why did such world did not come in real existence? Why is negativity strogner than the positive aspirations? Do we need to have a repressing authority to handle the situation? If we need to say yes to this question, I think the social norm that we are living is ceratinly less than humane. And if we have to call the society a "hindu society" we must accept that it is at this moment less than humane: Those who think in humane way must be in the minority, or those who are representing the authority must be subhumane. In either case, a person with humane concscience will have unpeace in his mind. It is torturous to be aware of more cases of abussive happenings, not to be aware of such happenings requires reclusion from the society. No wonder we have multitude of sadhus in our society that the others lack. I am not intending here to label Hindu ideals for the problems but I cannot certainly claim of being affiliated to a glorious society if the society cannot and does not exclude such norms and highlight the better social norms based on better ideals and come up with an effective implementation mechanism. How do we get set to change the norms without identifying and owning what needed to be changed?

************************************************************************* Date: 07 Nov 94 23:34:58 EST From: Rajendra.P.Shrestha@Dartmouth.EDU (Rajendra P. Shrestha) Subject: News11/6-7 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu

HEADLINE: one more person killed in nepali mid-term poll DATELINE: kathmandu, november 6; ITEM NO: 1106125
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  one more person was killed in neapl's dang district on sunday night, according to sources here today. a worker of the communist party of nepal, the former main opposition in the country, was attacked and killed by an unidentified person with a knife, the sources said. the death toll in the present mid-term polls has reached five. the victims lost their lives mainly due to conflicts with rival party supporters, the source said.

********************************************************************** Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 13:04:05 WET From: SURES@CERNVM.CERN.CH Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - Nov 7, 1994 (4 Mangshir 2051 BkSm) To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>

Hello!

Please tell me how do I join SCN.

I am working at CERN, Geneva and have access to World Wide Web (WWW). I know that issues of TND is also available in WWW. Please kindly let me know how do I access to that and Nepal related informations. Also pls let me how do I obtain the membership of SCN. Thanks.

Regards.

Suresh Man Singh PPE, CERN, Geneva

********************************************************************** Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 11:05:56 EST From: tilak@UFCC.UFL.EDU To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: The Hindu View

          The Hindu View.

Satya Mewa Jayate. Truth always triumphs.

Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanti. Truth is one, sages call it by different names.

Vasundhaiva Kutumbakam. The entire humanity (creation) is one big family.

Sarva Dharma Sambhava. Many paths to the same summit.

Sanatana Dharma. The quest for the eternal truth.

Sat, Chit, Ananda. Truth, Conscious, and Bliss.

Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. Truthful, Virtuous, and Beautiful.

Ahimsa paramodharma. Non-violence is the highest virtue.

Parasparopagraho Jivanam. All the lives are interdependent.

Sarve Api Sukhino Santu. Let all be happy, healthy and blessed.

Dharma Samsthapanarthaya Sambhavami Yuge Yuge. To reestablish the virtue, I appear, age after age.

Yeto Dharma Stato Jaya. Where virtue is, there is victory.

Samyaktva. Avoidance of dogmatic, intolerant, harmful attitude.

Iswara Sarvabhootaanaam, Hruddese Arjuna Tishtati. The Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings.

Dharmo Rakchhati Rakchhate. Virtue, if defended, will defend.

Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanun Bhaktah, Sraddhayaarchitumicchati Tasya Tasyaachalaam Sraddhaam, Tameva Vidadhamyaham. Whatever form any devotee with faith, wishes to worship, I make that faith of his steady.

All the virtuous people will go to the heaven and all the evil people will go the hell; regardless of their gender, race, age, nationality, and of course religion.

Soul is eternal, immortal, sinless and divine. Soul is a part of God and eventually will return to God.

Om Shantih, Shantih, Shantihi. Peace, Peace, and Peace.

********************************************************************** Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 14:15:17 EST From: mahendradb@UFCC.UFL.EDU To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: membership

I will like to subscribe to Nepal Digest.I am a graduate student of MBC program,UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.I will like to locate two people who have been lost in the American lifestyle.1. Raju Bista 2. Shashi Acharya.

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