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The Nepal Digest Monday 6 March 95: Falgun 22 2051 BkSm Volume 36 Issue 4

  Today's Topics:

        1. TAJA_KHABAR - News From Nepal

        2. KURA_KANI
                 Education - Re: TU and VC
                                Re: Book Review on Social History
                                Nepali Language class in Columbus, Ohio
                 Economics - Re: Nepali Taxpayers
                 Social - Foreign Workers in South Korea
                                Re: Matrimonial on TND
                 Health - Traditional Jaundice Treatment

        3. JAN_KARI
                 Roads to India

 * TND Board of Staff *
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 * Editor/Co-ordinator: Rajpal J. Singh *
 * SCN Liaison: Rajesh B. Shrestha *
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 * TND Archives: Sohan Panta *
 * Book Reviews Columns: Pratyoush R. Onta *
 * News Correspondent Rajendra P Shrestha *
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 * +++++ Food For Thought +++++ *
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 * "If you don't stand up for something, you will fall for anything" -Dr. MLK *
 * "Democracy perishes among the silent crowd" - Sirdar Khalifa *
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********************************************************************** Date: 02 Mar 95 09:38:38 -0700 From: VAIDYA Kanhaiya L * DAS DO <> Subject: FYI - foreign workers in S. Korea

MIGRATION NEWS Vol. 2, No. 3 March, 1995

Migration News summarizes the most important immigration and integration developments during the preceding month. Topics are grouped by region: North America, Europe, Asia, and Other.

There are three versions of Migration News. The paper copy has about 8,000 words; the email version 12,000 to 14,000 words; and the gopher version 14,000 to 18,000 words. The purpose of Migration News is to provide summaries of recent immigration developments that can be read in 60 minutes or less. Many issues also include a special report, abstracts of selected papers, and articles and information on recent research publications.

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Migration News <> Current and back issues can be accessed via gopher in the Migration News folder at: gopher:// There is no charge for the email Migration News. A paper copy of Migration News is available by mail for $30 domestic and $50 foreign. Make checks payable to UC Regents and send to: Philip Martin, Department of Agricultural Economics, University of California, Davis, Davis California 95616 USA. Migration News is produced with the support of the University of California-Berkeley Center for German and European Studies.

                Foreign Worker Rights in South Korea

After a protest by Nepalese workers in Seoul last month, the South Korean government announced reforms to protect the rights of foreign workers. The government will replace its foreign trainee program with a work permit system that grants more rights to foreign workers. The Nepalese workers claimed that the trainee program was tantamount to slavery. There are between 33,600 to 84,000 foreigners legally employed in Korea, and 19,000 to 32,000 of them are industrial trainees.

The new labor policy announced by the government promises easier entry for foreign workers if small companies improve labor conditions. The government next year will introduce a
'work permit' system, similar to ones used in Singapore and Germany, to ensure a steady supply of imported labor. Under the work permit system, foreign workers will receive that same wages and legal protections available to Korean workers. There is some confusion in press reports about which program will be terminated. It is not clear if the work permit system will replace a recently adopted training program for skilled workers, or only the unskilled "industrial trainee" program that began in 1993.

The Korean Federation of Small Businesses is offering 50,000 won (about $63) for information on "runaway" foreign workers. About 20 percent of the industrial trainees admitted to Korea in the last half of 1994 left their employersQwho offer them less-than-minimum training wagesQfor higher wage jobs elsewhere.

Beginning in March 1995, legal foreign workers will be eligible for workers compensation coverage after paying a premium of $3.80 per month. Under this optional plan, employers will also pay $3.80 per month.

 "South Korea to open job market to foreigners," The Xinhua News Agency, February 14, 1995. S. Korean firms offer bounty for runaway foreigners , Reuters World Service, February 13, 1995. John Burton, "Seoul move on foreign workers," Financial Times, February 18, 1995.

********************************************************************** Subject: re: appoint of vc of TU To: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 19:29:35 MST From: "Rajendra Kumar Joshi" <>

 I appreciate Raju tuladhar's comments on appointment of VC of TU. We should not go against any one without evidence. Dr. Mathe may not have good leadership qualities, but he is not corrupt. During his tenure as a campus chief, he had established student admission on a merit basis. Appointment of VC and Deans are political, so the discussion should be at the political level whether the appointments should be on the basis of political commitment or academic leadership . The former government had appointed their posts from VC to head of department according to their involment in the political party. So, I don't see any bad side of appointment of Dr. KK Joshi as a VC of TU.

 As a regular reader of Nepal Digest and Socio-culture Nepal, I appreciate, Ashutosh and Amulya for their effort to make NEPAL DIGEST and Soc.culture.nepal atractive.

Thanks, Rajendra Kumar Joshi University of Calgary

*********************************************************************** Date: 03 Mar 95 09:17:17 EST From: Rajendra.P.Shrestha@Dartmouth.EDU (Rajendra P. Shrestha) Subject: News2/27-3/2 To:

February 27 Deputy PM returns home from European Tour Excerpts from AFP, Xinhua and Radio Nepal reports

    Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Madhav Kumar Nepal returned home Monday after completing a 12-day five-nation European visit that he said was "highly successful."

    Speaking to reporters in Kathmandu airport, Nepal said he discussed economic and political issues, including the government's commitment to democracy, in his swing through Britain, Belgium, France, Germany and Switzerland. "We believe that the main essence of diplomacy should be economic diplomacy and it was one of the objectives of my visit (to europe)" he said.

   The minister, who is also general secretary of the Nepal Communist Party-United Marxist and Leninist (NCP-UML), said the Europeans were
"highly impressed" with the newly-formed Communist government's programmes and promised to continue development aid.

   He added that France had pledged food aid of at least 3,000 tonnes to help the country overcome a drought that has hit more than half of its 75 districts.

Nepal and Bhutan begin Talks Excerpts from UPI, Reuters and Radio Nepal reports

    Nepal and Bhutan opened ministerial talks on Monday to try to resolve a 4 -year-old dispute over tens of thousands of Bhutanese languishing in refugee camps in eastern Nepal.

   Some 86,000 refugees of Nepali origins are scattered over eight camps in Nepal.

   Nepali Home Minister Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli and his Bhutanese counterpart, Lyonpo Dago Tshering, led the talks which were scheduled to end on Thursday. ''Both sides made their opening statements. Serious talks will begin Tuesday,'' a member of the Nepali delegation to the talks said.

   This is the first time Nepal's communist government, which came to power in November, has pursued official talks with Bhutan. Talks between Bhutan and the previous administration of the Nepali Congress, now the main opposition party, did not make any headway.

   Before the talks started, Nepali officials said the two Himalayan kingdoms were split over whether to begin separating the refugees into categories to decide which ones should be repatriated.

   During four previous rounds of talks, the two countries agreed to divide the refugees into four groups: those who were forcibly evicted, those who voluntarily left Bhutan, non-Bhutanese and criminals.

   A team of officials from both nations would be set up to carry out
"verification" of the refugees, living under the supervision of the United Nations High Commissioner of Refugees.

   "We would request Bhutan to implement the field verification process immediately," Oli told reporters before the talks started. But the Bhutanese team was reluctant to launch the categorisation drive, Nepali officials said.

   Bhutanese dissidents have said more than 300 people were killed in clashes with Bhutan's security forces during protests in 1990 that led to the refugee crisis. Thimpu said only one person was killed.

   Kathmandu accuses Thimpu of discriminating against Bhutanese citizens of Nepali origin, who make up about one third of Bhutan's 1.4 million people. Bhutan claims armed dissidents of Nepali origin instigated revolt against King Jigme Singye Wangchuk.

 March 1 Hillary Clinton to visit Nepal Excerpts from Reuters and Xinhua reports

   The First Lady of the United States, Hillary Rodham Clinton, is planning a five-nation tour of South Asia later this month, her first extended foreign trip without President Clinton, officials in Washington, D.C. said Wednesday.

   The trip, expected to last about 10 days, would mark the first prolonged solo foreign travel by a U.S. first lady since Rosalynn Carter visited Latin American and Jamaica in 1977.

   Administration officials said the final details of the trip were not complete but that so far Clinton plans to visit India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal.

   The official said Clinton will meet with "government leaders, address educational and cultural issues" and will inspect development sites.

   She was expected to depart for South Asia in late March and return to Washington in April.

   "It's a chance for her to visit an area that the president would like to go to but will be unable to visit," another administration official said.

March 2 Nepal-Bhutan talks end without any progress Excerpts from Reuters and VOA reports

    Nepal and Bhutan have failed in three days of ministerial talks to resolve a 4 -year-old dispute over tens of thousands of Bhutanese refugees that has soured bilateral relations.

   Negotiating teams headed by Nepali Home Minister Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli and his Bhutanese counterpart, Lyonpo Dago Tshering, staked out sharply divergent positions during the three-day talks that ended today. It was their fifth round of talks. The two sides will meet again in April in Bhutan.

    The issue is the status of more than 86 thousand refugees who have fled from Bhutan to Nepal since 1990. The refugees are housed in eight camps, under the protection of the United Nations high commissioner for refugees. Bhutan says most of the refugees are ethnic Nepalese who emigrated voluntarily back to their homeland. Nepal disagrees, saying most of the refugees fled to Nepal to escape alleged human-rights violations.

   During this week's talks, Nepal's communist government insisted that Bhutan's royal government take back all of the asylum-seekers who, alleging human rights violations, took refuge in Nepal, negotiators said.

   But Bhutanese delegates said many of the refugees are not citizens of that Himalayan country, and that it was prepared to take back only those it had evicted.

   Thimpu says it cannot take back refugees who voluntarily left since under national law, they ceased to be Bhutanese citizens once they departed.

   A U-S state department human rights report says -- in the past year -- there have been hundreds of cases in which Bhutanese police and soldiers beat, raped and robbed ethnic Nepalese suspected of agitating for political and cultural rights.

**************************************************************** Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 10:54:04 +0100 To: From: (Madhur Shrestha) Subject: Request.

TND Editorial Board <>


I have been in Germany for one and half year now. Is it possible to have some email and post addresses of our Nepalese friends in Germany?

Secondly, I am just wondering how you disseminate the information in Kathmandu. Could I send some information to my friends and professors in Kathmandu through Nepal Digest?

I believe all the Nepalese netters are enjoying their living outside through the Nepal Digest. And I wish all the best for all the people working in it.

Thanking you.

Madhur Shrestha

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ashutosh Tiwari <> Subject: (fwd) Re: DEFINE.....Nepali Taxpayer, please (fwd) To: (Ajay Pradhan) writes:
>I thought Amulya's question was: Who are Nepali taxpayers? [A complicated
>question, and interesting enough to get "hung up on".]

>The unasked question that Ashutosh Tiwari answered is: What is Nepali
>taxpayer's money?

>My question about Nepali Taxpayer:
>Am I a Nepali taxpayer or an American taxpayer? I am a Nepali citizen, but
>pay my taxes in the U.S. and not in Nepal. And I am not talking about
>indirect taxes that a tourist pays while buying a beer in Orlando, I'm
>talking about 1040.

        Since Nepal does not have as elaborate a system as 1040 and so on, there's really no point in "getting hung up on" who pays taxes and who does not. If we do get hung up on that, consider the implications: Only the business houses, landowners and so on would qualify (for they pay some of the taxes, however small or negligible) as taxpayers, and the further implication would be that only they are qualified to comment on how the nation's money should be used and so forth.

        Getting "hung up on" the who the taxpayers are therefore treats Nepali citizens as stockholders of a company, and thus effectively EVADES Nepal's most citizens who are either too poor to pay taxes, or do not get to pay taxes because of the system. Does this mean that those citizens who pay no taxes have no political rights, and therefore have no say in how the government works? Certainly not.

        A better approach in the Nepali context, I would argue, is to tie the concept of taxpayers with citizenship (in democracy). This means, as long as Ajay retains his Nepali citizenship, he has every right to demand better services from and accountability on the part of the Nepal government, regardless of whether he works at IUCN in Jawalakhle or lives in Indiana or does not pay Nepali taxes. [Most of us are in similar situations, and that does not make us any less important "taxpayers" or less valuable citizens).
        So the implicit point in my earlier posting, which Ajay FAILED to grasp is this: In the Nepali context, instead of calling people citizens, I call them taxpayers -- without worrying about who pays taxes and who does not. The word "taxpayer" conveys a sense of citizenship with explicit political rights, one of which is the citizens' right to demand better services, performances and accountability from their elected representatives.

>Ajay's next question, about Nepali Taxpayer's Money:
>Ashutosh Tiwari says this includes aid dollars. Suppose part of this aid
>dollars come from the U.S. - and Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina will
>remind you that it is American taxpayer's money. I am confused - whose
>money is it? Nepali taxpayers didn't certainly "pay" this aid dollars to
>the Kar Bibhag - can we call it Nepali tax"payer's" money?

         Senator Helms is right. When American taxpayers give a grant to Nepal, that grant then belongs to the Nepal government. Since the Nepal government itself belongs to the people
(i.e. democracy), then that grant is also a gift to the Nepali citizens (or taxpayers). Now as proprietors of that grant, Nepali citizens (or taxpayers, by my definition so far) should decide what to do with that money through their elected reps. It's their RIGHT to demand that that money be properly and wisely used, regardless of whether it's their own money (i.e. collected from taxes) or not. Hence my use of the term "taxpayers' money".

        One thing to notice here: Helms' definition of American taxpayers applies only to the US (where the IRS collects money); my definition of Nepali taxpayers drops the question of who pays taxes and who does not
(for now anyway) but instead focuses on the RIGHTS of a Nepali citizen as guaranteed by the Constitution.

p.s. Earlier. Amulya argued that the King, due to his tax-immune status, would not be powerful . . . Though Amulya has his logic right, he's got his judgement wrong: The system of taxation is inextricably tied with one's political rights. Without political rights and democracy, you can't have a taxation system, only exploitation by the state. The whole American revolution, for Amulya's info, had started because the colonies were paying taxes WITHOUT representation (i.e. without political rights). First, the political rights, then the system of taxation.

        In Nepal, only recently have we had our political rights. It may take a while before an IRS-equivalent in Nepal gets all or most citizens in its net. Until then, I think that the LITERAL use of the word
"taxpayers" and wondering who the taxpayers are and who are is not a helpful point to ponder over.

        So, taxpayers mean ALL citizens of Nepal, whether they live in Nepal or abroad -- regradless (for now) whether or not they pay tax rupees.

        Taxpayers' money means ALL money belonging to the government, therefore to the people.

        Perhaps a naive explanation, but the attempt is there.

namaste ashu


*********************************************************************************************** To: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Anil Shrestha" <>

Re: Ajay Malhotra's search for Bhusan Tuladhar From: Anil Shrestha, Michigan State University


Bhusan Tuladhar returned to Nepal sometime in late 92 or early 93. He finished his BS and MS in Environmental Engineering from Cornell in 1992. Then he worked for some time in DC. I always knew him to be an extremely nice person. He contributed a lot in introducing our country at Cornell. He had a strong dedication for his family and country and I am sure he will do well at home. I don't have his address but if I find I will let you know. I am glad you brought Bhusan's name up as I too often wondered about his well being.


********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:08:52 EST From: (Eknath Belbase - Math Grad) To: Subject: inquiry/roads

I was wondering if anyone out there has first-hand knowledge of the roads going INTO India from Mahendranagar. Specifically, what is the state of them, and how far west can one easily get from Mahendranagar into India on a motorbike (can one, say, get to the Kashmir border?) ? Also, how about bridges - is it possible to get thru the various rivers in (a)the early Barkha months and (b) the early Heund (damn that nasal is hard to type in English!)?

Thanks, Eknath

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:33 EST Subject: request for info To:


I'm a Nepalese researcher currently involved in a Bank sponsored study of group-based lending systems in South Asia.

I would be very interested in learning about some of your projects and studies and would be happy to share thoughts on mine, Please feel free to contact me at this account which is valid till May 10th.

Sincerely, Nina Bhatt

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:28 EST From: Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - March 3, 1995 (19 Falgun 2051 BkSm) To:

RE: Ponta's book review of Social History of Nepal...

I very much enjoyed reading ponta's recycled book review of "Social History of Nepal".

In fact his analysis seems more interesting than the book and I encourage him to elaborate on the themes alluded to in this review.

Two themes strike out: One, the articulation of political power with the social hierarchy of caste. Ponta strongly takes exception to the ruling classes' "ideological" reduction of caste and varna as purely matters of purity. [I would have had the exact quotation but the task of erasing half of TND to extract this quote is a monumental task beyond my computer facility.] Since Ponta deploys some key theoretical terms with Marxist heritage (such as ideology and class and power, although not exclusively marxist) I would request Ponta to explain whether by "ideology" he is referring to Marx and Engel's definition as follows:

"ideologies are systems of false ideas, representing the false consciousness of a social class {presumably the class defining and reinforcing caste system}, in particular of the ruling class, the bourgeoise. The ideas are false because they promote the interest of a particular class while pretending to be in the interest of the society as a whole. In this way way, ideology is an instrument of deceit..."

The second theme Ponta underscores is to question how much of this social hiearchization (is there such a word) wrought by the ruling class has been implemented throughout the Nepali society. I admire the sensitivity with which Ponta has tried to express this argument but I am disturbed by the drift of this argument. Granted, there are multiple sites in which human actors are always contesting these definitions of power and status from mundane things like dress and eating codes to ways power and resource allocation is deployed in Nepali society, but pleading that Hindu society or sanskritization is not a monolithic entity or process cannot and should not obsfuscate macro levells of exploitation that has gone on and continues in Nepali society. This plea of micro-analysis can quickly degenerate into not seeing the forests for the trees, to use an old cliche. It is a criticism in anthropological and social theory where postmodern valorization of the local, the different, the individual heroism is criticised as neo-conservative political agenda to hide and nurture the more powerful, macrolevels of exploitation: capitalism in global scales and Hinduism in Nepali scales.

Amulya Tuladhar Clark University

********************************************************************* To: Subject: Ex-Siddhartha Vanasthali Grads Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 17:09:44 EST From: Amrit R Pant <arp@MIT.EDU>

Thank you Sanjay K. Nepal for providing info on Siddhartha Vanasthali Alumni Association. As I remember, it used to be known as SIVAA. An alumni association existed in Siddhartha Vanathali much in a dormant form until it came out as SIVAA in 1989 (if I remember it correctly) when the school organised a big meeting of alumni and held elections for office holders. I was in the first two meetings of the association. It would be nice to know more about its activities.

********************************************************************** From: Puspa M Joshi <> Subject: Thanks a lot To: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 07:34:48 -0500 (EST)

             Nepali class in Columbus

Dear editor:

My wife Arun Laxmi, my children Rummi, Kiran, Ashish and I would like to express our sincere thanks to all friends in the Nepali community in Columbus and my relatives for their support during our difficult time after the unexpected death of my father Moti Man Joshi. He passed away on the morning of February 10 (Nepali time), just a week after his Bhim Ratharohan, A ritual celebration thanking God for longetivity, observed by those of the Newar caste when a person reaches 77 years 7 months and 7 days. My father was deeply devoted to his community, always happy to serve in volunteer organizations such as Tole Sudhar Samiti, Local Bhajan Mandal. We pray to God for his eternal life.

As my father did not have any formal education, he was very happy that his son and grand children were receiving education in the United States. His only concern was the deterioration in my children's ability to understand Nepali. In his memory, my wife and I, both the graduates of Institute of Education, Kirtipur, have decided to establish a free Nepali language class in Columbus at the Buckeye Village Recreation Center once a week (Sunday afternoon from 5:30 to 6:30 PM).

We are excited to have received overwhelming support from the local community. Before the news had been fully spread, we had already received several calls indicating that some parents would like to provide snacks for the children and others supplies. Some colleagues have expressed interest in assisting us in their spare moments not burdened with classwork. Mary K. Rose, a social worker who has always been in the forefront of helping Nepalese students in Columbus told us that she would like to join the class and help provide transportation to children in need. Thanks again for all your support. It is gratifying to be able to build a tangible legacy to my father, one which does him proud.

Puspa Man Joshi Columbus, Ohio



We would like to congratulate Roshan Bajracharya and his wife, Mallika on Roshan's successful defense of Ph D. dissertation. He is a student of the Department of Agronomy at the Ohio State University. His topic is Soil Crusting and Erosion Processes on an Alsisol in South Central India. He has already been offered a post-doc position at the OSU. We wish him good luck.

Puspa and Arun Joshi Rummi, Kiran and Ashish Columbus, Ohio

*************************************************************** Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 01:54:50 EST To: From: Rajesh Acharya <RA3371@ALBNYVMS.BITNET> Subject: matrimonial on tnd

This is in response to a recent matrimonial section on TND. Mr. Paudel was searching for a bride and would be particularly interested if she had a green card. On previous occassion I have been an avid supporter of the matrimonial section on TND. I still support it, however, when matrimonials are conditional to monetary gain or some potential previlage, I find it utterly disgusting. Mr. Paudel's intention to marry a girl primarily for a green card is particularly offensive. This kind of greed and lack of respect is the reason why many Nepali women suffer at the mercy of these people. If you are a potential bride and thinking about responding to Mr. Paudel's search, I strongly urge you to ignore it. You can just imagine how he is going to treat you the rest of your life. He will probably even ask for a dowry of say $...............
         I agree with TND's free speech advocacy. But I would urge TND not to post conditional criterial for matrimonial specially when it involves personal gain or greed. Cast criteria, although not desirable, should be allowed because Nepali culture is still adamant to these biases and is still widely prevalent. Conditional criteria for monetary
 gain or personal greed is deplored by most Nepalese and I would think that most of us would be disgusted and outraged by such blatant requests. Just as TND would edit any vulgar remarks made by me and would still be in tune with its free speech advocacy, I would strongly urge TND to edit such offensive requests and adhere to acceptable norms.

%%%%%Editor's Note: Without getting into much further analysis, TND %%%%
%%%%% would like to encourage matrimonial section. %%%%
%%%% However, what is accepted and what is not, is %%%%
%%%% left for TND society to decide. Of course, %%%%
%%%% outright provocation or insulting references will %%%%
%%%% certainly be dropped from the postings. %%%%
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%%%% Please send in your thoughts. TND would just %%%%
%%%% like to request - lets be civilized in the process.%%%%

************************************************ Subject: Traditional Medicine for Jaundice Treatment

Dear TND Readers:

Does anybody know about the traditional treatment of Jaundice as practiced in the Maha Baudha area in front of the Bir Hospital in Kathmandu. Has any research indicating its effects been studied, or are there areas still to be covered?

Peter Giorgi, a British Broadcasting Corporation employee, who is covering indigenous scientific methods in the South Asia region, would like to investigate the issue. If anybody knows about the subject, please let Peter Giorgi ( and me know.

Thank you.

Suraj Basnet. Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, Maryland

*********************************************************** Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:05:01 -0500 To: Subject: Hydropower in Nepal From: (Upmanu Lall)

I am being asked to comment on the potential for and feasibility of large and small scale hydropower in Nepal have seen some posts on the Arun project here. Is there an archive of summary information available somewhere or anyone who can send me some information. Of interest are: climatic/hydrologic/ecologic/seismic information statements of likely impact socio-political aspects - do people want such developments or not - what are the arguments for/against are there any technical studies that have been done as you can see, I am rather ignorant about the issues and the status of things in Nepal and would like to develop a perspective thanks for the help direct responses by e-mail will be appreciated

Upmanu Lall Associate Professor Utah Water Research Laboratory & Civil Env. Eng. Utah State University Logan UT 84322-8200
(801)-797-3184 FAX: 801-797-3663

************************************************************ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:06:14 -0500 From: (RaJesh B. Shrestha) To: Subject: MOST_CORRUPT_CAMPUS_CHIEF???

Cross-posted from SCN:

Re : Ajay Pradhan's

>Sriram Mathe? For TU's vice chancellor? You must be kidding! Re-read # 4 of
>the list of work that you said Kedar Mathema initiated. Sriram Mathe, an
>architect, spends good part of his "office time" on his consultancy. That's
>one. Secondly, you only need to talk to some faculty members at the
>Institute of Engineering at Pulchowk. He's been known to be one of the most
>corrupt former campus chiefs there. (I wonder if Sharad Shrestha at
>Univ. of Illinois can shed some light on this.). Finally, a "top-rate
>administrator, a well-liked teacher, and somebody with a passion for higher
>education" does not make one a good Vice Chancellor of TU. What TU needs is
>not an administrator, but a leader (not necessarily a political leader) who
>can raise a lot of "rupaiya" publicly and privately and who can can make TU
>more and more independent of the government meddling, and who can foresee
>what TU can be like 10-15 years from now.

It is indeed unfortunate to see that "soc.culture.nepal" has been a venue for personal mud-slinging through articles like this. When Dr. Mathe was campus chief at IOE, Pulchowk, I was one of the lecturer at Civil Dept. My personal relationship with Dr. Mathe, if not very bitter, was less than cordial. However, I certainly do not believe that Dr. Mathe was the MOST CORRUPT CAMPUS CHIEF. I reserve my comments about his efficiency, bureaucracy, or running of the campus, but, I have not yet heard about a specific allegation or even an under-current rumour of blatant corruption about Dr. Mathe. The readers of this news group "soc.culture.nepal" will feel disappointed to see such personal attacks based on personal hatred. This news group deserves more constructive and thought provoking discussions.

R. Tuladhar (

************************************************************* Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: Nirmal Ghimirez <NGH42799Q236@DAFFY.MILLERSV.EDU> To: Subject: PT Nepali

Ashu's article of part time Nepali did reflect some truth about all of us. I think one important point he missed was of work.Before, I came here I met some Nepalese who had returned from USA.When, I asked them about the work they never told the truth. This shows that we still have the hesitation of saying what work we really do at the begining. I know many, who do not want the people back home to know what odd job they are doing. This shows the lack of respect of the work and also too much concern about work status.I guess we have not yet realized that any kind of work is good as long as it is constructive for the society. At the begining it is hard to get the job we want, so we settle with what we get. But what is the harm in letting the feloow nepalese know if they respect work and understand the meaning of it they will appreciate the hard work, if not, then also it does not make the difference.

*************************************************************** Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ashutosh Tiwari <> Subject: Boston kai foorti: Goodbye and Hello To:

        The executive members of the Greater Boston Nepali Community (GBNC) thank PRABHAT ADHIKARI for his exemplary dedication and service to the Nepali community in Boston through his able leadership, participation in and co-ordination of many activities for the last two years as an executive member of the GBNC Council.

        A student at Northeastern University in Boston . . Prabhat's was a cheerful, competent, thoughtful and reliable, presence in all Boston Nepali activities. The GBNC joins more than 150 Nepalis in the Greater Boston area in wishing Prabhat all the best as he leaves the GBNC-fold to immerse himself in his super-busy school/and internship work.

        In Prabhat's vacant seat, the GBNC is pleased to welcome HEMENDRA BOHRA, a student at Harvard, as the new GBNC executive member.

        So, a fond goodbye to Prabhat, and a big welcome to Hemendra at GBNC!!

        GBNC is a SOCIAL [and emphatically non-political and perhaps therefore non-discriminatory! :-)] coalition of Nepali students, scholars, professional, families and children in the Greater Boston area in Massachusetts, United States. Its administration is run entirely by Nepali volunteers with full-time studies and/or jobs elsewhere.

namaste ashu

********************************************************** Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:46:10 -0500 From: (RaJesh B. Shrestha) To: Subject: Nepal And Bhutan Fail To Resolve Refugee Differences

Cross-posted from (MSN):

Source: Voice Of America, March 2, 1995 By Michael Drudge

New Delhi: Nepal and Bhutan remain at loggerheads over the repatriation of tens of thousands refugees who have fled from Bhutan since 1990.

Nepal and Bhutan have failed to resolve their differences on the thorny refugee issue that has strained relations between the two himalayan mountain kingdoms.

The home ministers of the two countries have ended three days of meetings in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu. It was their fifth round of talks. The two sides will meet again in April in Bhutan. The issue is the status of more than 86 thousand refugees who have fled from Bhutan to Nepal since 1990. The refugees are housed in eight camps, under the protection of the United Nations high commissioner for refugees.

Bhutan says most of the refugees are ethnic Nepalese who emigrated voluntarily back to their homeland. Nepal disagrees, saying most of the refugees fled to Nepal to escape alleged human-rights violations.

Bhutan's ethnic crisis erupted in 1990, at a time when Nepal was experiencing a pro-democracy movement that forced King Birendra to give up absolute power.

As ethnic Nepalese in Bhutan also demanded more rights, Bhutan claimed they were plotting against king Jigme Singye Wangchuk.

A U-S state department human rights report says -- in the past year -- there have been hundreds of cases in which Bhutanese police and soldiers beat, raped and robbed ethnic Nepalese suspected of agitating for political and cultural rights.

************************************************************ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:47:42 -0500 From: (RaJesh B. Shrestha) To: Subject: DEFINE.....Nepali Taxpayer, please

Cross-posted from SCN:

I thought Amulya's question was: Who are Nepali taxpayers? [A complicated question, and interesting enough to get "hung up on".]

The unasked question that Ashutosh Tiwari answered is: What is Nepali taxpayer's money?

My question about Nepali Taxpayer:
---------------------------------- Am I a Nepali taxpayer or an American taxpayer? I am a Nepali citizen, but pay my taxes in the U.S. and not in Nepal. And I am not talking about indirect taxes that a tourist pays while buying a beer in Orlando, I'm talking about 1040.

My next question, about Nepali Taxpayer's Money:
------------------------------------------------ Ashutosh Tiwari says this includes aid dollars. Suppose part of this aid dollars come from the U.S. - and Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina will remind you that it is American taxpayer's money. I am confused - whose money is it? Nepali taxpayers didn't certainly "pay" this aid dollars to the Kar Bibhag - can we call it Nepali tax"payer's" money?

Ajay Pradhan Bloomington


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