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The Nepal Digest Thursday 29 June 95: Ashadh 15 2052 BkSm Volume 39 Issue 11

  Today's Topics:

        1. TAJA_KHABAR - News From Nepal

        2. KURA_KANI
                 Culture - Festivals or Fun, But for whom?
                 Health - Heart and Health
                 Social - Re: Mind your tongue please!
                 Military - Anit Aircraft Guns

 * TND Board of Staff *
 * ------------------ *
 * Editor/Co-ordinator: Rajpal J. Singh *
 * TND Archives: Sohan Panta *
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 * +++++ Food For Thought +++++ *
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 * "If you don't stand up for something, you will fall for anything" -Dr. MLK *
 * "Democracy perishes among the silent crowd" - Sirdar Khalifa *
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********************************************************************** Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:51 EST From: Subject: sajha bus service to China To:
  Nepal, China to start trans-Himalayan road service
  From: World Tibet News ( (WTN Weekly Digest 5/19-5/25 1995)
        KATHMANDU, May 23 (Kyodo)
        Nepal and China will start road transportation services between the Nepalese capital city Kathmandu and Lhasa, Tibet, next month, the Nepalese Works and Transport Ministry said Tuesday.
        A final decision on opening the services was taken during official talks between the two countries held here this week. A four-member Chinese delegation headed by the deputy director of Tibet's Transportation Department left here for home Tuesday after taking part in the talks.
        From the Nepalese side, the state-owned Sajha Corp. will provide bus and truck services along the mountainous road for the first two years, a spokesman of the ministry said.
        The spokesman said the road transportation facilities between Nepal and Tibet are expected to help Nepal diversify its trade.
        Nepal built a 114-kilometer road linking Kathmandu with Koodari on the Nepal-Tibet border in 1966 with Chinese assistance.
        Nepal and China signed an agreement in Beijing last year on opening road transportation between Lhasa and Kathmandu.
********************************************************* Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:49:58 -0400 From: To: Subject: Add my name to TND mailing list

Dear Rajpal ji:

Greetings from Springfield, MA!

I would be most grateful if you can add my name to the TND mailing list. My friend from Baltimore forwards his copies to me, but I would rather prefer receiving them directly so I don't miss a single issue, and I have the added luxury of receiving them on a timely basis.

At this point, I would like to congratulate you and the members of the TND staff along with all the patrons for making TND one of the most successful endeavors ever representing the Nepali community. If we were to compare this service with any other Nepali project, both here and in Nepal itself, TND receives perfect scores.

Thank you. Raj Basnet []

**************************************************** Subject: Top 10 From: Gopal Shah To: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:54:10 -0400 (EDT)

Top Ten reasons why TND is boring day by day!

10. Khojkhaber,matrimonial and women issues have been replaced by personal JHAGADA.

09. Our Dan Rather (News anchorman), Rajendra P. Shrestha, is leaving.

08. Durga Dahal has been busy harassasing women than writing his THOUGHTFUL comments.

07. Pramod Misra just CAN'T write short articles.

06. Arun Dev Dhital's romantic poems disappeared from TND.

05. P. Onta just reviews OLD articles.

04. Amulya's views about ethnic and religious conditions in Nepal sounds more complicated than in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

03. Ashu's articles cover his GBNC with HIGH IQs 90% of the time.


01. ANA members are going to sell bumper stickers in Denver....
    that says.... TND SUCKS!!!
   :) :) :)


************************************************************* Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:13:07 +0700 To: Nepal Digest <> From: Suman Kumar Manandhar <> Subject: Mind Your Language

There was a recent posting to TND which I found revolting. People can voice their sentiments - political or otherwise - but they should keep in mind that Nepali families across the globe are reading TND on a regular basis and bad language is not acceptable on this platform. TND should not be used as an "electronic spreadshit". One can be critical of political personalities but abusive language is uncalled for.

Suman Kumar Manandhar,, Mail Box 261, Asian Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2754, Bangkok - 10501

************************************************************** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:16:09 +0700 To: Nepal Digest <> From: Suman Kumar Manandhar <> Subject: Wedded Bliss

Here is a compilation sent to me by Pradip Baniya in Nebraska. I thought we could all share it.

                          WIFE IS LIKE THAT
   Many a man owes his success to his first wife and his second wife to his
   success. - Jim Backus
   I recently read that love is entirely a matter of chemistry. That must be
   why my wife treats me like toxic waste. - David Bissonette
   I've sometimes thought of marrying, and then I've thought again. - Noel
   Coward, 1956
   A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is
   finished. - Zsa Zsa Gabor
   I'm an excellent housekeeper. Every time I get a divorce, I keep the house.
    - Zsa Zsa Gabor
   When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep
   her. - Sacha Guitry
   Marriage is like pi - natural, irrational, and very important. -
   Lisa Hoffman
   She's a lovely person. She deserves a good husband. Marry her before
   she finds one. - Oscar Levant to Harpo Marx upon meeting Harpo's fiancee
   We in the industry know that behind every successful screenwriter stands a
   woman. And behind her stands his wife. - Groucho Marx
   Eighty percent of married men cheat in America. The rest cheat in Europe.
    - Jackie Mason
   Marriage is like a cage; one sees the birds outside desperate to get in, and
   those inside desperate to get out. - Montaigne
   By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a
   bad one, you'll become a philosopher...and that is a good thing for any man.
    - Socrates
   A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A
   successful woman is one who can find such a man. - Lana Turner
   Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution.
    - Mae West
   Marriage is a three ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and
   Marriage is bliss. Ignorance is bliss. Therefore ...
   Marriage is not a word; it is a sentence.
   Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage i s
   the triumph of hope over experience.
   Marriage is when a man and woman become as one; the trouble starts when they
   try to decide which one.
   Marriages are made in heaven. But so again, are thunder and lightning.
   Before marriage, a man yearns for the woman he loves. After marriage, the
   'Y' becomes silent.
   Do not marry a person that you know that you can live with; only marry
   someone that you cannot live without.
   I had some words with my wife, and she had some paragraphs with me.
   If you want your spouse to listen and pay strict attention to every word you
   say, talk in your sleep.
    Pradip, thank you!

Suman Kumar Manandhar,,

********************************************************************** Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mahesh maskey <> Subject: Modernity and Ethnic Harmony To: The Nepal Digest <>


  Amulya's reflection on development and social polemics conveys the seriousness of the problem and a sense of urgency for the search of its solutions. I thank Amulya for highlighting the contradictory aspect of development/modernization and its link with the phenomena of social polemics. It tables agenda for discussion and we can be hopeful for informative and well thought responses from those who have thought deeply over these issues and have a command on the subject. From a layman's perspective, however, I shall try to articulate briefly some "off the cuff" impressions the reading of article had left on me.

I felt the article/reflection ended abruptly without making due effort for conceptualizing the possible solutions. The article appears heavily weighted towards defining the problems only. May be constrains of space prevented the writer to deliberate on that. If that is the reason, I hope it will not be too much to ask how he feels about the possible solutions for the problem he conceptualize.

In the opening paragraphs I had the impression that the links of some particular problems such as "newarism", cowslaughter, sanskrit news etc with the development being explored, the dynamics of these problems in our context will be clearer and the understanding of the phenomena will be better. But article seems to be saying just that the development or modernity, while bringing some questionable material benifit mostly to the urban and rural elite also brings a secular sentiment for the casts/ethnic groups, and in response to their newfound freedom of expression, a tendency in the elites to suppress them swinging towards rigid orthodoxy.

It is not clear how this "western" concept of development and modernization can react and intensify our ethnic problem since very little effort is made to understand these issues from our own historical perspective. Are we so vulnerable that a touch of "modernity" may crumble our ethnic harmony? If it is indeed so , then the question is why? We who have been a proud example of ethnic harmony and religious integration, not in the sense of rosy coloured picture of "fantasy land sangri-la" or "peaceful cultural melting pot" but actual historical process of acculturation and religious synthesis amidst conflict and cooperation, are our historical roots so week that we can not effectively handle this natural tendency towards secular expression?

How well we can manage the impact of "Modernity" depends upon how well prepared are we for this job. It demands a search of our own strength and weakness, like maping of our 'cultural gene' or assessing the status of immunity. Without understanding how we, as newar or bahun or kirant, came into being, without understanding what are the historically formed and nurtured roots of cooperation and conflict, without tracing down the whole interface of Hinduism and native culture, without understanding why " Caste in Nepal is not merely a concern of the individual private social groups, but a state protected ideology"(Hofer) or more correctly a Hindu state protected ideology, it may not be fair to assign the responsibility of seething social polemics to modernity or development alone.

I have also problem with use of the term "western" denoting the concept of modernization and development and then its contrast with communism. It is clear in several places what Amulya call modernization and development is in fact "capitalism oriented development". For Nepalese geographically Communism also is a western idea. It would be more clear to use the adjective capitalistic or communistic model of development and modernization than lumping development and modernization to "Western" and contrasting "development" or "modernization" with communism.

I also want to point out an error in Amulya's posting. We do have malaria in Tarai, the problem is increasing but it is less in comparison to Bangladesh's present problem.
    Lastly I had the impression that Amulya uses the word "Social Polemics" in a negative sense since he calls it the Ku_putra of development. I think social polemics are not in themselves kuputras . They are an inherent process of social development. Without social polemics we would not be able to understand and resolve the social issues. But it may become foul smelling if the way it is carried out is unworthy of a thinking person, if it is dictated not by reason but by emotions and sentiments. Ethnic and language issues are very sensitive and it may quickly turn into communal outbursts if proper care is not taken in the discussion. Perhaps an intellectual community like ours having the facility of quick exchange of ideas and access to information can set examples to our friends back home how to carry on the responsibility of dissecting our own history and emotion without being carried away by it.

mahesh maskey june 22,1995


*********************************************************************************************** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:28:22 EST From: To: Return-Receipt-To: Subject: Re:Gurkhalis suffering

    I do not know much about the issues facing the Gurkha rgiments in the British army and thus am very pleased to be reading it in the discussion forum as presented in the TND. In the latest issue of TND, Mr. Onta presented a valid topic on the sufferings of the Gurkhalis. Most of us I'm sure, as mentioned by Mr. Onta, have not thought of all the sufferings that they probably go through before , during, and after a war or in any other circumstances. On the other hand, I'm sure most of us can think of an incident that will depict the bravery and courage which the Gurkhalis earned through their continued sacrifice. Although I do not know anyone associated with the Gurkha regiments, I have to admit they have given me great pride in letting people know that I am from Nepal where the Gurkhalis originate.
    Having said that, I wanted to mention about an incident (sometime between 1977 and 1979) when I came across an ex-Gurkahali who was living in Bangkok. I do not know his age but I presume he was past his sixties. He was working as a watchman in an apartment complex where I was visiting a friend. Upon talking to him I found out he had been living in Thailand since the end of the second world war. He had a very good command of Nepali when he spoke. I came to find out that there is a large community of ex-Gurkhalis residing in Thailand, presumably since the war. I asked him about his interest in returning to Nepal and his reply was that basically things have changed so much that he couldn't live in Nepal. Among other things I remember was that he and others like him had no status in Thailand. Many of them just live in the slums and work as maids and watchman and so on because they have no other alternative.
    I cannot recall whether he and others stayed there volunterily or was a MIA of sort. Nonetheless, what is sad is that he has to live in a country which doesn't grant him or his children citizenship that they deserve. I would like to encourage others in Thailand and the surrounding countries to find out more about these types of situation and bring it to light. This incident took place a while back, so I do not remember all the details other than what I mentioned.

Thank You.
    My previous posting somehow lost part of the message during transmission. I would just like to clarify that the name of the company is not Ayerst but Wyeth-Ayerst Pharmaceutical, a division of American Home Products, based in Pearl River, NY (20 min from NY city). There are about 30 BS/MS positions and approx. 10 Ph.D. positions that needs to be filled in medicinal chemistry. If anyone likes more information please contact the company directly or I can get the information if you send a message to me. Thanks.

****************************************************************** Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:26:53 EDT To: From: "Robby Khanal" <> Subject: E-mail to Nepal

To everyone,
   I don't know if this has been on TND before, but I wanted to let everyone know that you can send e-mail to your family and friends in Nepal, and they can send e-mail to you. I know one place and address you can use to send your mail. I think they charge around 50 rupees per 1k of text, but I'm not sure about the rate. I have used their service for couple of months, and I'm pretty happy with the result. When you send the mail to Nepal, you put the name and the phone # of the person that you are sending the mail to, and they'll call that person. People from Nepal can send the e-mail directly to you. The address I've used is:

If anyone has any questions, please contact me at
                                                        Robby Khanal
***************************************************************************** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:30:03 +0700 To: From: Pradhan <> Subject: Thank you and Good bye

Editor, TND!

It has been wonderful going through TND, many many thanks to the editorial members who has done a great job. The information about Nepal and many other topics, the discussion on several topic some of them still going on has been of great imterest to me and I enjoyed it very much.

I have come to a successful end of my study Masters of science in River Engineering here in Delft, The Netherlands and will be going back to Nepal end of this month. Will you please deleate my subscreption effective from first of July 1995.

I wish you all the success in the coming days, also hope TND will become much more interesting with more amd more informations and healthy discussions.


Saroj Pradhan. Delft Geotechnics Delft, The Netherlands.

********************************************************************** From: Subject: USA, Britain and Germany To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:57:10 +0100 (BST)

BB Kshatri's treak report to Sweatzerland, Germany, Britain and USA

This tells you how to visit more places in less money in those countries.

--------------- I was able to visit Bern the capital city for about 18 hours in March 95. Out there is a system of a day travel pass which cost about $7.00. to go every where withn the capital. You can use both the bus and city train? Sweatzerland looks more like Nepal in topography. Infrastructure development such as tunnel road in the hills, fly over/crossover bridges were well established.

About 50% of Sweatzearland's national economy is based on agriculture. For my short visit the farmers in the hills looks more or less the same as in Nepal. Each farmer have about 1 0 sheep, 3 cows, a heap of fire wood in one corner of farmers home.

People there are very nice, cooperative, heplful and honest.

Lost Camera found
------------------ I forget my camers in one of the bus in Bern, and about half an hour later I know that it was lost. I ask to some one and he suggest me to go to
"lost and found" unit out there, unit staff asked me to come two hours later, so I did and my camera was there. I paid $5.00 and found my lost camera.

Use of toilet in public places like bus station is very expensive, $1.00 one time.

--------- I visited Germany for 5 days in late March 95. Dusseldurf, Koln, Bonn and Basil were few places I was able to visit.

Unlike in Britain travelling during weekend within Germany and Sweatzearland is cheaper by about 30%

Weekly and Monthly travel pass are available in cheaper rate. The pass bear no photographs wfhich allow a travel pass shearing within a family.

-------- I am here in Scotland for last two years.

Travelling bus is chepest one compared to train and air plane. All return tickets cost only about 10% more than the one way fare. Therefore, in Britain it is beter to buy return tkts.



In USA cheapest mean of travel is by bus "GREYHAUND". A 15 day travel pass called "Ameripass" cost $209.00 for visitors form outside USA. They operate 24 hours service throught USA. You get on and off the bus as and when required within the date indicated in the pass.

Orlando Florida to Los Angelos -------------------------------

It took about 55 hours by bus. These busses are relatively comfortable and spacious compared to busses in other countries. Throughout my 17 days visit I covered the following areas:

New York Washington DC Orlando Miami Los Vegas Los Angelos Phoenix Denvor Colorado Chicago Niagara falls and back to New York

(it sost me a total of 800.00 pounds to travel 17 days in all those places.

5 days in hostels and 11 days in bus. ------------------------------------- It may be srange for some one but I enjoyed this visit very much. Within short period of time this was only way ( Pay less in accommodation and cover wide area by sleeping in bus) to visit many places. So I did.

Getting a Visa ------------------ Since I am here in Britain and I was supported by a letter from my University Supervisor, there was no problem at all to get a visa to visit all those countries.

Visa to Germany was reveived by post. It took about 3 hours in Embassy of Sweatzearland in London to go to Bern.

American Embassy in London do not accept visa application by post for Asians except Japanese. Japanese need no visa to visit USA.

---------------------------------------------------- I AM GOING BACK NEPAL ON 16 JYLY 95. ----------------------------------------------------

I am leaving Scotland on 13 July 95 after which I would not be able to read e-mail. Therefore, please dealete my name from the mailing list then.

Thanks for every one involved in the publication of TND. B.B.Kshatri University of Aberdeen

**************************************************************** From: (Pratyoush R. Onta) Subject: (fwd) Gurkhas in the News (fwd) To: (tnd) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:29:03 -0400 (EDT)

June 20, 1995, Tuesday

LENGTH: 50 words

HEADLINE: Gurkha dies

A Gurkha serving with a British Army regiment has died after being injured when a lorry he was driving plunged into a ravine in Bosnia 13 days ago. Private Indra Kumar Limbu, 27, managed to jump clear but sustained severe head injuries. He was flown to London, where he died in hospital.

South China Morning Post, June 21, 1995 HEADLINE: Sultan extends Gurkhas' tour

BYLINE: From Europe Editor DAVID WALLEN in London

THE Gurkhas will stay in Southeast Asia as part of the British Army after the Hong Kong handover following a deal signed by the Prime Minister John Major and the Sultan of Brunei.

The Sultan has agreed to keep on a battalion of around 500 Gurkhas for another five years after their tour of duty ends in 1998.

The Gurkhas have been victims of the Army's cuts over the past few years and would have vanished from the region altogether had Brunei not wanted to keep them on.

The Sultan will pay most of the costs of the battalion, but for the British Army the deal means that it will continue to have a battalion of the Nepalese soldiers acclimatised and jungle-trained in case they are needed elsewhere.

Following the eventual closure of the Hong Kong garrison, the only other Gurkhas in the British Army will be a battalion based in Britain with brigade headquarters in Hampshire. There will also be a training centre in Nepal.

********************************************************************** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:27:35 EDT From: Seira Tamang <> Organization: The American University Subject: Gurkha suffering To:

Just to comment on Pratyoush Onta's piece on Gurkha suffering, which I also read in the Himal issue; that type of analysis is very needed. Actually, oral stories about their experiences could be very Wilfred Owen-esque - he was a poe t writing about WW1, touching, enlightening and reminding people of the materia l realities of what a war is and what being a soldier is. However, again it seems that the role of women has been ignored. These soldiers left families behind and regardless of how one constructs a family and the nature and role of extended families, the family still remains father-less not only during times of battle, but due to the whole "family permission" policy of the British Brigade of Gurkhas, during most of the enlisted soldier's military career. The military depends on a fully functioning soldier, who's total commitment is to his combat unit. Anything else would be bad for morale and be a handicap to his full functioning as a soldier. A dependable, silent and most of all invisible spouse provides not only the home in which the soldier can have all his needs looked to, and where he can recuperate, but also where an almost, in the Gurkha context, culture of "women-headed households" (very loosely used) becomes the norm. If these women did not continue to play these roles, what then would have become of the Gurkha? Raising awareness of Gurkha issues is a multi-faceted project.

Seira Tamang American University.

******************************************************************* Subject: (fwd) obituary: C. von Furer-Haimendorf (fwd) To: (tnd) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: (Pratyoush R. Onta)

The Daily Telegraph June 26, 1995,

HEADLINE: Obituary of Prof Christoph von Furer-Haimendorf

BODY: PROF CHRISTOPH VON FURER-HAIMENDORF, who has died aged 85, was a devotedethnographer of the tribal cultures and societies of South Asia. As professor ofAsian anthropology at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), London University, from 1951 to 1976, von Furer-Haimendorf was known for his dedicated field research. He spent some 10 years living among a range of peoples. VonFurer-Haimendorf believed he should not merely record and analyse but whenpossible should promote the interests of tribal communities which lacked thewherewithal to defend their land and culture. He was proud of those occasionswhen, as a governmental adviser, he had helped to implement policies to promote tribal welfare.

In addition to a large body of writings, he specialised inethnographic film-making and photography. His talents in this area were not atfirst widely acknowledged. Indeed, until recently many anthropologists felt thatvisual documentation was hardly an academic endeavour. Von Furer-Haimendorfpersisted, compiling an impressive collection of black-and-white photographs,colour slides, cinefilm and audio cassettes.

Christoph von Furer-Haimendorf was born on July 27 1909 in Vienna; his father was for a time governor ofSudetenland. Christoph read anthropology at Theresianische Akademie, Vienna, andthen became an assistant lecturer at Vienna University. His doctoral thesis -based on library research - concerned the hill tribes of Assam and north-westBurma. His interest in India thus kindled, he decided on field research in theNaga Hills, and prepared by studying Assamese at SOAS. He also attendedBronislaw Malinowski's seminars at the London School of Economics. While hefound these intellectually stimulating, he was unconvinced by Malinowski'sfunctional approach. Von Furer-Haimendorf's first field trip, in 1936, markedthe beginning of his long association with the sub-continent. He was on his way to the Naga Hills just as the Second World War began, and though interned as an enemy alien he was permitted to continue his field research among such groups asthe Chenchus, the Reddis and the Raj Gonds. In 1949 he relinquished a teachingappointment at Osmania University and a post as adviser to the Nizam ofHyderabad's government to take up a lectureship at SOAS. Within months he waspromoted to reader. Elected to the Chair of Asian Anthropology in 1951, he ledthe department through a period of unparalleled growth until his retirement in 1976. He was subsequently professor emeritus.

In the early 1950s vonFurer-Haimendorf was the first foreign anthropologist to be permitted to conductfieldwork in Nepal, and he also made pioneering studies of the Sherpas andother high mountain dwellers. In 1976 the Royal Nepal Academy conferred on himthe Birendra Prajna-Lankar prize for illustrious scholarship. A generous man,von Furer-Haimendorf was a challenging but sympathetic supervisor and aconsistent advocate for both colleagues and students. He served for a time asdean and as acting director of SOAS. His publications included The Naked Nagas(1939), Himalayan Barbary (1955), Return to the Naked Nagas (1976) and The Gondsof Andhra Pradesh (1979). He published an autobiography in 1989. He receivednumerous academic honours (including the Rivers, Sykes and Roy Medals). He waspresident of the Royal Anthropological Institute from 1975 to 1977. He married, in 1938, Betty Barnardo, who collaborated on many of his research projects; theyhad a son.

********************************************************************** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:11:48 +0100 (BST) From: GIRI J N <> To: The Nepal Digest <> Subject: TND READERS IN MANCHESTER, N-W ENGLAND

I would very much like to network with TND readers in Manchester as I have to go there soon . It would be nice to meet some people who could show me the ins & out of the place. If anyone knows anyone in Manchester, I would love to hear to hear from you


Joti Giri MSc Water Resources Engineering Dept CIV.ENG CITY UNI London EC1 e-mail -

************************************************************* Forwarded By: To: From: (Saraswati Khanal) Date: 20-JUN-1995 22:10:29 Description: Re: Udit

Well,the opinion expressed about Udit in my posting "Two Successful Nepalis" was based on my personal experience (albeit a short one) with Udit. I did not read the Dharmayug article, so I can not say what was reported to be said. Sometimes, what is said in an interview is not printed in the magazines. It may also be possible that what he said was taken out of context. If he really said that and meant to disown his country, it is certainly deplorable.I will, however, have to give Udit a benefit of doubt in lack of an absolute proof. Euta Nepali's opinion that he did so in order to get a strong foothold in the Indian film industry appears to me to be pure speculative.As for his speaking Hindi during a voice test at Radio Nepal, I do not think it was a big deal since Udit was only a small FAT BOY(emphasis) attending Bal Karyakram. (I do not, however, see any connection between one's physique and one's patriotism: and for that matter he is still fat). A small boy from the Terai was probably exposed more to Hindi than to Nepali and felt more comfortable communicating in Hindi. Is not conversing in Hindi considered cool by our other Nepalese brethern?,especially the Hakim Sahebs and Adda Pramookhs?. In my personal opinion, language has absolutely nothing to do with a person's patriotism. The more of them you know, the better. When we met Udit, he did not even try to speak with us in Hindi.He conversed with us in perfect Nepali. He also said that he was planning to build a house in Biratnagar. We, therefore, had no reason to doubt his sincerity. Pradip Baniya's comment that Udit's Singing a song "Sare Jahan se Achchha Hindosathan Hamara"created a controversy as to his patriotism is based on false logic. If Udit's singing that song is taken as his disownment of Nepal, what would you say to people who otherwise take great pride in being a Nepali, but discourage their children from learning Nepali and show great pleasure (you can see from their glowing faces) when their kids say that they find Nepali language very funny?. I personally know some people who are like that. If Udit's singing that song makes him an Indian, what about Asha Bhonsle's song in "Maiti Ghar" which is worded "Akasha lai chhoyekochha mero Himala le..., Swarga lai lobhyaunchha merai Nepala le... Yo ho mero prana bhanda pyaro..., maiti ghar, maiti ghar, maiti.. ghar...? Does her singing that song make her a Nepali? Udit is a professional singer and he will sing in whatever language and whatever words he is paid to do so.His songs should not be construed as proof of his loyalty or disloyalty to his country. About Gauri Malla's statement on NTV that she would give Udit duee (2) latti if he really said so, I assume, she meant it figuratively and not literally and said so to be famous (at least for some days).If she did so, I am in complete agreement with her. OTOH, if she meant it literally, I do not recommend any body to resort to the use of physical force to get your point across. Namaste JAYA NEPAL

From: ( Saraswati Khanal) Date: 25-JUN-1995 13:12:52 Description: Re: Two Successful Nepalis

Well, I didn't expect the "Two Successful Nepalis" would generate so much discussion in the net, but I don't regret that it did. I think it is a good trend because only through discussions can we reach any meaningful conclusion. My thanks to Anil Tuladhar, Sharad Shrestha, GP and Sriram Iyengar whose responses to some of the skepticisms raised by Euta Nepali, Pradip Baniya and Kunga were very well put and right on the money. To Sharad: You referred to me in your posting as a "he" but I am a "she" but no hard feelings. To Sriram: Thanx for your suggestion.I will try to see the Tamil version of the movie 'Bombay' sometimes soon. Namaste JAYA NEPAL * Murphy's Golden Rule: "Those who have Gold Make the Rules" *

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