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The Nepal Digest Thursday 19 Jan 95: Magh 5 2051 BkSm Volume 35 Issue 11

  Today's Topics:

        1. Letter To The Editor - Help!

        2. Guest Coloumns
                 Book Reviews - Portraits and Photographs
 
        3. TAJA_KHABAR
                 Refugee Problems
                 International Students in US
                 Non-Tibetans Cleared to Walk to Lhasa

        4. KURA_KANI
                 Environment - Re: Arun III, Enough is Enough!
                 Religion - Re: Religion and Development
                 Society - Why Matrimonials?

        5. KATHA_KABITA
                 Poem - The Last Tribute .....
                                Manu, Timro Samjhanama

        6. JAN_KARI
                 Jobs - System and Network Administration
                 Matrimonials
                 Travel - From Calcutta to KTM

        7. Entertainment
                 Humor - Top 10 Things to Wonder About

        8. TITAR_BITAR
                 Immigration - F1 and J1 News
                                F2 Visa Problems, Help!
    

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************************************************************************** Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:39:15 -0500 From: eknath@math.cornell.edu (Eknath Belbase - Math Grad) To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu Subject: religion and development

This is with regards to Cheung's post [cheung@cam.org]. I see two main points as being (1) religion is important to most Nepalis (2) Nepal is underdeveloped and development efforts have had limited success. These then somehow imply (3): unless this deep attachment to religion is somehow changed,
(2) will continue to hold.

How so? What exactly is the role of Hinduism in all of this? What about factors such as Nepal being land-locked, resource poor, surrounded on three sides by a large super-power-wanna-be neighbor with whom it has lopsided agreements, having had decades of corrupt and inept government, etc.? Are these factors overshadowed by the role of Hinduism?

I see the point with regard to the status of women - Hinduism as being a structure that helps perpetuate many forms of exploitation/oppression. I do NOT see how it has a hell of a lot to do with economic development. Furthermore, I would argue that the writer is putting the cart before the horse: you cannot change basic religious beliefs to achieve economic objectives. However, changing the economic nature of a society MAY affect its deep religious structures in the long run. Examples abound where industrialization have contributed to (1) lessening the oppression of women [Japan being a notable exception in many ways] (2) increased secularisation.

Before people go out to solve the "ROOT CAUSE" of a large set of social ills
[assuming there is ONE ROOT CAUSE in the first place] it might just be a good idea to make sure that what you think is the root cause is indeed the root cause. Otherwise, you might just end up pissing a lot of people off, in addition to failing to help the cause you are supposedly working for in the first place...

********************************************************************* Date: Jan 24, 1994 Forwarded by: Sirdar_RJS_Khalifa <a10rjs1@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: Sapana Panday <spanday@mhc.mtholyoke.edu> cc: The Nepal Digest <nepal@mp.cs.niu.edu> Subject: Katha_Kabita

 

             The Last Tribute .....
             ______________________

       You and I, how gleeful you used to be
       Impossible you thought - inseperable you and me.

       Those pages of romantic letters - a sack of 'em
       Those promising passionate phone calls - all night of 'em
       Those playful chatting on cyberspace - lost count of 'em
       Those long passionate countless love making - remember each one of 'em!
  
       Your dreams - a castle in the air
       How it took five centenial days to build
       One lousy wave in the past -
       And it lies - shattered in despair!

       In retrospect - What was it?
       Did you suddenly realize that it wasn't love anymore?
       Or did you finalize that it was just great making love?
       Or a regretfull guilt from the past encounters?
       Or am I your ultimate emotional kick-bag to lay down -
       all the griefs, sadness, anger and frustrations from the past?
       Well, you'll never tell me, will you!

       And I still remember you telling me
       With the past, it was never love, a mistake!
       And you assured me -
       "Its everything with you - our love, passion, hope, devotion,
        great passionate love-making, commitment - one and only!"
       Great salesman you were
       Almost had me believed in you;
       And a good one you were
       Almost had me sold in you!

       A lingering thought makes me ponder
       Love or lust, I just wonder
       Yes - Educate me! Enlighten me!
       Instead of sitting their with your angry threats!

       Little that you are aware about your love/lust hopping
       Its just like a subway train in NYC - except your tracks are circular.
       If I was one of your stops - hope you had great time
       You may not realize that the tracks are round and round
       When you stop again tired and beaten - I may not be around.

                        - Sirdar_RJS_Khalifa
                          (bcc: Sapana Panday <spanday@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>)

********************************************************************** From: gshah@st6000.sct.edu (Gopal Shah) Subject: Matrmonial To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 14:31:41 -0500 (EST)

We got another LAYAK candidate for Matrimonials. Hope this trend will keep continuing.

Descriptions: Name: R. Panta Gender: Male (No more confusion :) Age Group: 30-35 yrs. Education: Phd program Height: 5'6" Weight: 130 lbs. Complexion: Fair Location: Georgia,USA

Looking for a responsible girl Age: 20 yrs plus Education: A college degree

Interested candidates can send confidential email at gshah@st6000.sct.edu.

************************************************************************* From: ponta@sas.upenn.edu (Pratyoush R. Onta) Subject: p onta writes To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu (tnd) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 16:36:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Length: 3392

Dear Rajpal:

I will assume that quite a few of the TND readers are interested in being informed about recent books, journals, and magazines - academic or otherwise - on Nepal. If this is so, then an occasional review column in TND might be appropriate. While in Nepal during 1993-94, I wrote several reviews for the Kathmandu papers and, with your permission, would like to recycle them in TND. If you think this is a good idea, you should invite other readers to contribute to this column as well. Pls let met know what you think of this. Pratyoush.

The following reveiw was published in The Rising Nepal of 9 December 1994

Book Review Portraits & Photographs from Nepal. By Prakash A. Raj. Kathmandu: Nabeen Publications. 1994. Rs. 200

reviewed by Pratyoush Onta

This thin book contains more than 70 portraits and photographs from the years between the 1850s and the 1960s. In addition to the photographs of well-known Rana and Shah personalities of the era, some of which have been previously published, this book contains many heretofore unpublished photos of the Royal Preceptors (Badaguruju) of Nepal. Bijay Raj's appointment to this post coincided with Jung Bahadur Rana's rise to power in 1846 and the job remained within the former's extended family throughout the Rana century.

The images reproduced here are said to come from the collection of mahila guruju Hem Raj, a scholar and a bibliophile who achieved fame during the early years of this century. While the reproduction quality of the images is generally good, the photograph of Chirbire Mainya, one of the daughters of Jung Bahadur who was married to a member of the Shah family, published on page 24 and on the back cover, is outstanding for its visual impact. Appendix 3 contains a useful genealogy but omits some names mentioned elsewhere in the book. Also some dates provided therein contain printing errors.

Brief captions identify the subjects of the images and provide additional notes on their lives. Those new to the literature on elite Nepali political history of this era should intersperse their viewing of these images with a reading of an introductory historical narrative available in a number of other books for maximum benefit.

The images reproduced here will be of interest to those doing research in the history of photography in Nepal, and to social historians interested in the cultural politics (including sartorial practices) of Nepal's ruling class of this era. Prakash A. Raj therefore deserves our thanks. That said, it must also be pointed out that photographs do not come with their own narratives about how they were implicated in the structures of power in any given society. They provide only a fragmentary evidence of how they might have been used as a technology of status affirmation at any given moment in history. Since compiler Raj has made it easier for researchers to have access to this set of photographic evidence, the challenge now remains with social historians who need to think about this theme based on the ever increasing published corpus of photographs of this era. Elsewhere (a six-article series published in The Kathmandu Post between 28 August and 2 October 1994) this reviewer has suggested an outline of a way to think about the history of the use of photography in Nepal but we certainly need to do more research on this subject. END

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*************************************************************** Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:56:28 EST To: nepal-request@cs.niu.edu From: Jagadish Dawadi <JXD9590@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> Subject: Help!

Dear Editor:

Good afternoon! Shortely after arriving in Rochester, New York, USA last July for my general education, I contacted Nepalese Embassy in Washington D.C. and consul general's office in New York many times through faxes for notifying them of my arrival here in the USA. I contacted them as per the instruction on my passport and also asking them for what kinds of services they offered to Nepalese students residing in USA, but I didn't hear a word form them.

I am wondering why they don't seem caring for their own people residing in the USA. I am aware that Nepal has not yet sent an ambassador to Washington. Is this so due to the absence of the ambassador? OR are these offices closed down? I know that most of you know more about the Nepalese embassy and consular's office here. So, I hope that I am going to have some nice comments from any of you on this regard soon. Hummm, when is UML govt. going to send a new and efficient ambassador to Washington? I wonder if anyone knew of it.

O.K. Thanks for your time and consideration.

Namaste! Pheri lekhaula! Ramailo garnus!

Jagadish Dawadi, Rochester Institute of Technology,RIT, e-mail: jxd9590@rit.edu

***************************************************************** Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:04:31 MST To: a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu From: "VIVEK S. RANA" <RANA@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Subject: for Taja_Khabar

          NEPAL SEEKS INDIA'S HELP IN RESOLVING REFUGEE PROBLEM
          -----------------------------------------------------
  Japan Economic Newswire
  Kathmandu, Jan. 8 Kyodo
   Nepal is seeking India's help in resolving the long-standing problem of Bhutanese refugees, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Madhav Kumar Nepal said Sunday.
   He told a government newspaper that Nepal seeks 'cooperation and support fro m India and even the international community' in the repatriation of more than 100,000 Bhutanese refugees living in the camps in east Nepal.
   The kingdom's previous government of former Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala had unsuccessfully made attempts at resolving the problem through bilateral talks.
    India is the first country of asylum for the Bhutanese refugees of Nepales e ethnicity who began fleeing the kingdom in September 1990, later landing at the refugee camps in Nepal.
    India has so far seen it as a strictly bilateral matter to be left to the governments of Nepal and Bhutan.
   The deputy prime minister said the issue of the Bhutanese refugees will be high on the agenda for talks during the forthcoming visit by Nepalese Prime Minister Man Mohan Adhikari to India.

******************************************************************** Date: Jan 16, 1995 Forwarded by: Sirdar_RJS_Khalifa <a10rjs1@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: The Nepal Digest <nepal@mp.cs.niu.edu> Subject: International Students in US

By: Bo Xiong Date: 1/5/95

Among every ten foreign students in the United States, one comes from mainland China. January 5's World Journal cited a report by the Institute of International Education as saying that in fiscal year 1993-1994, 44,381 Chinese students enrolled in U.S. schools, making them the No.1 foreign student body in the country; Japan has 43,770 students in the U.S. ranked No.2; Taiwan's 37,581 students listed as No.3; India No.4 (34,000+); South Korea No.5 (31,000+); Canada No.6 (22,000+); Hong Kong No.7 (13,000+); Malaysia No.8, Indonesia No.9 and Thailand No.10. Foreign student population in 1993-1994 totaled 449,749, 19.4% of them major in MBA, 16.9% in Engineering, 9% in Physics and Life Science, 8.4% in Mathematics and Computer Science, 7.6% in Social Sciences, 5.1% in Arts, 4.1% in Nursing and the rest in other subjects. The Boston University hosts 4,547 foreign students listed as largest foreign student population in a single campus, the University of South California hosts 4,189 as second largest campus.

NAFSA Update: J-1 Waivers and F-1 Pilot Off Campus Employment
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_FROM: NAFSA Government Relations Department Source: NAFSANet, 1/6/95

     1. USIA Rule on Interested Governmental Agencies for J-1 Waivers Due Out This Month. According to sources in the General Counsel's Office at the U.S. Information Agency, the rule implementing the Conrad Amendment to the 1994 Immigration Technical Corrections Bill (H.R.783) will be published in the Federal Register within the next couple of weeks. This provision allows certain state agencies to act as interested governmental agencies for the purpose of obtaining a waiver of the 2-year foreign residency requirement for certain J-1 visa holders.

     2. F-1 Pilot Off Campus Employment Program--Clarification. NAFSA Update No. 304 reported on the December 15, 1994 Department of Labor rule, which extended F-1 attestations in effect on September 30, 1994. We want to clarify that students working in the interim period between October 1, 1994, and December 14, 1995, would have done so without authorization -- a violation of IRCA. The new DOL rule only extended the validity date of previously-submitted attestations, not a student's employment authorization. Thus on December 15, 1994 a student could RESUME working based on any attestation in effect as of September 30,

**************************************************************** From: adhital@st6000.sct.edu (Arun Dhital) Subject: Literature To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:41:27 -0500 (EST)

                Manu, Timbro Samjhanama!

        Timbrai samjhanama yei sara dinharu,
        Timbrai kalpanama yei sara raatharu !
        
                Timi najikai chainau bhanne
                janda jandai pani;
                yei haathharu failauna man lagcha,
                Timile yeha chadainai tekne chainau
                bhanda bhandai pani;
                yei aankha haru bichyauna man lagcha!

        Kahile timbra samjhana haru lai,
        piuda piudai metauna man lagcha;
        kahile timbro kalpanama, sara raat;
        runda rundai bitauna man lagcha!

                Timbrai samjhanama yei sara dinharu,
                timbrai kalpanama yei sara raatharu!

                                                Arun Dhital (norgay)

************************************************************ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:21:00 PST To: "rajpal j. singh" <a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu>, From: Ian BARNES <Ian.Barnes@bbc.co.uk> Subject: Help with stories ........

Congratulations on the Nepal Digest....it's great to see something on the Internet such as this.

Could you help ? I work for Tomorrow's World on BBC TV in London. It's a science show and we're planning to perhaps go to Nepal. This is where I need your help....

Do you know of any good science stories; medical, electronic, environment, funny science stories etc etc?

Or, do you know of any good contacts in Nepal that you can let me know of ?

Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated ....

Thanks Ian Barnes BBC T.V

**************************************************************** Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:20:41 EST To: The Editor <nepal-request@cs.niu.edu> From: Shirish <RANJITS@WABASH.EDU> Subject: Arun: Re: The Nepal Digest - Jan 17, 1995 (3 Magh 2051 BkSm)

LEAVE THE PROJECT ALONE, GIVE INSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM RATHER THAN JUST CRITICISING. JUST GIVE SUPPORT TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN NEPAL RATHER THAN TRYING TO CRITICISING ALL THE EFFORT. IT IS TIME TO WORK TOGETHER WHAT EVER THE PROJECT MAY BE; OTHERWISE GIVE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION. IF NOBODY HAS ANY ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THEN GET STARTED WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND BUIL THE COUNTRY TOGETHER. NO MORE RIGHT AND WRONG!! I AM SICK OF ARUN PROJECT DEBATE.

 Shirish Ranjit *
 Ranjits@Wabash.edu *

************************************************************************* Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 19:19:16 -0500 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu From: isha@titan.oit.umass.edu (Isha Sharma) Subject: Kathmandu to Calcutta

SINGHANIA ENQUIRED ABOUT TRAVEL FROM KATHMANDU TO CALCUTTA:

Though occassionally direct bus to Calcutta from Kathmandu are run by tour operators, no such a regular service exists. People have to travel to the Nepal-India border where they may board a bus or a train to go to Calcutta.
>From Kathmandu you may go to Sunauli (border town near Sidharthnagar,
also called Bhairawa). Better take a night bus from Kathmandu so that you reach Sunauli early in the morning. The fare the last time I travelled was around US$ 3.00. From the border you go to Gorakhpur by bus. Will take you about four hours and will cost less than US$ 2:00.

>From Gorakhpur you may either travel by train. or by a bus. You can
get many fast trains coming from Delhi etc. or starting from Gorakhpur itself going to Calcutta. It will take you about 30 hours to reach Calcutta. If you want to go via Mujaffarpur or Sonepur, travel from Kathmandu to Raxaul border. Take a bus from the border to Mujaffarpur or Sonepur and board a train to Calcutta. In India, I would prefer to travel by train, with a berth reserved ofcourse. It will cost you about US$ 10:00 - 20.00 on the train fare depending on the class you travel in.

Indian Airlines operates (Boeing 737) direct flights
 from Kathmandu to Calcutta.

Should cost around US$ 60.00.

Netters! You are welcome for further comments.

************************************************************************* Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:53:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ashutosh Tiwari <tiwari@husc.harvard.edu> Subject: Top Ten Things To Wonder About On A Cloudy Night To: Nepal Digest <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
                                                                
        There are times when I cannot seem to get any work done. Practicing the fine art of procrastination, I listen to the radio, clean up the room, call up a friend, read an article in a magazine, and essentially do this and that -- all meaningless and unimportant things. Meantime, the REAL WORK at hand seems to be staring sullenly from the desk.
[Eventually, I do bolt back to senses, and the work gets done . . .]

        Anyway, this is one of those moments. And I thought, What better way to use it than by coming up with another TND Top Ten List?

                        Top Ten Things
                I've Been Wondering About These Days

10. Why Amulya Tuladhar has stopped replying to his critics.

09. How Gyaneswor's PhD thesis is coming along.

08. Why, except for those in the US and at AIT Bangkok, not many Nepalis
    from elsewhere on the planet send their submissions to TND.

07. Whether yours truly can really find his special someone through the TND
    matrimonials in, say, about four years. . . or, will all the
    eligibles be 'taken' by then? Just something to be afraid about on a
    cloudy night. . . :-)

06. Whether Pramod Mishra has ever taken a class with Stanley Fish, and
    if so, what he thinks about Fish's point about there being no such
    thing as free speech, and "that it's a good thing too".

05. Why what is technically efficient is NOT necessarily economically
    also efficient (or to show off with the jargon, pareto optimal), and
    whether some technically-minded TND readers also see the economic
    inefficienies inherent in many solutions that may be, to their
    knowledge, be technically efficient. Some examples: NPC, GIS, BKS and
    so on.

04. Why is that BKS grads, except for LSE's Swarnim Wagle, could not
    understand a simple economic argument against the set-up of their
    school (made from a broad, national perspective), and why did their
    defences (no offence, guys!) sound more like simple Pavlovian loyalty
    than clear, level-headed counter-arguments?

03. Why is there such knee-jerk aversion to free-markets on the part of
    some educated Nepalis on the net, especially when they all seem to
    be enjoying the benefits of such markets in the US and the UK? In order
    to debunk free-markets, should they not have understood the logic behind
    the markets in the first place?

02. What to make of Rakesh Karmacharya's illiberal point that basically
    requested the editor NOT to snip sexual stuff (on grounds that such
    stuff helps him to strike up conversations with his "women
    friends" -- fair enough!) but root out any "thinly veiled personal
    attacks"? If sexual stuff could be defended on grounds of FREE
    SPEECH (regardless of their educational value to Karmacharya), should
    not "thinly veiled personal attacks (TVPA)" [which, by the way, are
    hard to define . . . for what is 'attack' to one person may be
    entertainment to another, yet be unintelligible to the third person.
    So how is an editor to decide which is TVPA and which is not?] be
    extended the same First Amendment courtesy? If not, then I wonder
    whether Karmacharya's advocating a "Free speech for me; but not for
    thee" type of silly argument that gives liberalism a bad name.

01. Whether I should go back to work.

    Yes.

namaste ashu

************************************************************************** Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:07:17 EST To: nepal-request@cs.niu.edu, tiwari@husc.harvard.edu From: "Ganesh Pandey" <GANESHP@CIVIL.Lan.McGill.CA> Subject: Arun Arun Everywhere

Arun Arun Every Where But not a Bulb is On!

Recently I happen to read lots of info. about mega project Arun III. It will escalate another discussion in the net, I supose.

In my view, Arun III will not be constructed at least in the forseable future. The reason is economics, not environmental, social or anyother reasons so far. Nepal needs The World Bank's help to build the project. But the WB will provide the loan ONLY if it feels that Nepal can repay. To repay the loan Nepal has to sale electricity in a higher rate in Nepal and at the same time export power to India. But what will be rate of exported power? But the fact are:

    - Indian side want RELIABLE supply, not just the supply. (they
    want to impose strict penalties for the lost opportunities due to
    the irregular power, but Nepal is against any such penalties.
    The result is deadlock in the talk).
    
    - Arun is too expensive because of commission, involvements of
    foreign teams and myriad of other reasons. Because of the open
    market policy in India, several international companies are
    gearing up to set up thermal plants which can supply power in
    a much cheaper rate. Besides DEALING WITH AN MULTINATIONAL
    COMPANY IS MUCH EASIER THAN DEALING WITH A GOVERNMENT.
    So India will be less eager to purchase any power from Nepal.

    If India is not willing to purchase pwer, WB won't approve the loan. So Arun III will never come.

    Isn't it right time for the government to think of the alternatives then mere talking about ARUN III only?

-ganesh
          

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********************************************************************** From: jana@pogonip.scs.unr.edu (Jana Dunn) Subject: Trouble getting F-2 visa--advice? Date: 14 Jan 1995 19:59:18 GMT

My sister-in-law, Mira, (my husband's sister) has been unable to get an F-2 visa; perhaps someone who has been in this situation can offer some advice.

Mira is in Nepal living with her mother-in-law. Her husband is living with us in the U.S. and is on an F-1 visa. He has been here since last summer.

Mira has applied for the visa twice and has had it denied twice. The third time she attempted to apply she was told that her application would be rejected and that she shouldn't waste her time and money.

The staff of the consular post has told us that Mira's visa application has been rejected because she does not have sufficient ties to Nepal to ensure her return. We disagree and feel that she and her husband do indeed have strong ties to Nepal and would return to Nepal at the end of his studies. Mira, in fact, would probably return sooner due to family obligations.

Mira submitted the following with her application:

        a sponsorship letter from us and our bank statements
        a copy of her husband's assistantship contract
        I-20
        a letter from her husband describing his familial obligations
        a letter from the univ's international student advisor
        a letter from her husband's counselor

Our congresswoman FAXed an inquiry to the embassy; we were told by the embassy staff that the inquiry has been answered but we have not received the answer yet.

Where do we go from here? Can we appeal the decision? Is there a governmental office that can assist or advise us?

Please respond via email. I will summarize the responses if appropriate. If you wish to follow up to this posting, please follow up to alt.visa.us unless you think the content of your posting would be of interest to soc.culture.nepal readers.

Jana Dunn Subedi jana@scs.unr.edu

********************************************************************** Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:45:55 -0500 (EST) Forwarded by: "Rajpal J.P. Singh" <rsingh@ims.advantis.com> Subject: System/Network Administration Jobs To: nepal@cs.niu.edu

  I am posting following immediate job openings for the benifit to
  our TND members who may be looking for jobs. The follwoing positions
  are with our consulting firm and are not entry level positions unless
  you have a great length of experiences while in campus computer jobs.
  If you are interested, send your electronic resume (ascii) to me
  at rsingh@pencom.com.

1.
   Is there anyone at the
   University or elsewhere that you know that might be applicable
   for a Senior/Mid-level HP,Sun or Next Sys Admin job??? There
   is also a Novell/PC/AIX Sys Admin there as well.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

2.

  We need your help, A client in nyc is looking for a few people to do pc
  administration, they would be a psa hire. This person must also know unix
  preferably sun administration. The suns and novell systems are networked
  together so they need someone who can work on both platforms.
  pc nfs is a must. These are important spots for us, so send any ideas my way

********************************************************************** From: rais2@rpi.edu (Suraj K Rai) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:31:43 -0500 To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu> Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - Jan 12, 1995 (28 Push 2051 BkSm)

Dear Editor:

What kind of nonsense is this matrimonial issue??? Haven't we had enough of trying to immitate the indians?? First came the dowry issue which has spun out of control in Nepal and now this!!!

Suraj Rai

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********************************************************************** Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:51:27 -0500 From: rshresth@black.clarku.edu (RaJesh B. Shrestha) To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: GIS: A Warped Priority? Further Thoughts

Cross-posted from SCN:
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        GIS: A Necessity or a Luxurious Proposition
                  (Some Further Thoughts)
                    Alok K. Bohara

I would like to thank Shaligramji for his comment on my earlier article about Geographic Information Systems (GIS). I do not disagree with him at all on the usefulness of this tool, and definitely we should have it. I am a believer of "lets built it, they will come."

But, I was simply questioning its place in the economic policy making process in Nepal, right now. Above all, it is the matter of priority. If the VC really wants to improve our data I/O systems, he should be honest and see that there are a number of other things that should be done first:
  
     Improving macro data collection systems; making them
     available in an electronic form (e.g., on floppies and CD
     ROM); (only macro data that is decent and reliable in
     Nepal is the money supply figure).
 
     Making a good use of our Census information and, again,
     making it available in an electronic form (e.g., on
     floppies and CD ROM).

     Making the industry survey and tax data available on
     floppies.

     How about making use of our mainframe computer and
     create an on-line data retrieval system, where remote
     terminals (private business, government agencies,
     universities, research organizations) can down load data
     (e.g., industry, inflation, population, export, import and so
     on..)

     Maintain and upgrade social accounting (SAM) matrix.

     And oh, we need to give some computers to university
     faculty and promote research. Allow connection of
     remote terminals for both public and private agencies.
     Organize existing micro and macro data electronically so
     they can be used in an efficient way for useful purpose.

     Initiate regular longitudinal household surveys.

     And, maybe, initiate GIS to code ecological information
     (mountain, forest, land, lakes, rivers). DON'T try to use it as an
     UNIFIED system. It will be so complex, expensive, and time
     consuming that it will be like a white elephant, serving only a
     narrow interest group.

The VC of the NPC may have a sincere and grand vision about GIS, and all I am trying to do is put things in perspective. The other thing that comes out of this is that my assessment about him is true -- he is a good informed researcher who seems to have a good feel for his field, geography.

But, again it shows that his heart, expertise, conviction, and feel are for geography not economic policy making. Because, all I have heard so far are: price control, targeted subsidies, planned resource allocation, de- acceleration of privatization. And, these sound more like back-of-the- envelope political guidelines than a long term thought out economic policy proposed by sound economic policy makers. And from the VC comes GIS.

But hey, if everything falls apart due to ill-conceived economic policies, the GIS may be the best accomplishment.
    

To: nepal@cs.niu.edu Subject: woo! look at these figures (part II) From: SPOKHARE@SYSTEMS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca

The figures given by Mr. Bhanu are astonishing. May be it is good to get involved in Politics instead of passing sleepless nights in studies with a hope to enough "Dal Bhat and sometime Masu". That way, at least one would make a Ph.D. on making money inside and outside of power. One note is regarding the foreign bank account. One of the ex-minister is shown to have a foreign bank account. How can a person who does not believe in Nepalese banking system becomes a minister.

How can people have so much of money in bank account and instruct other to industrial development of the country.

Formed a group, the minister's money can establish a factory that could give job to at least one hundred poor Nepalese excluding their NATA people. That might earn them more vote in the future election.

Sometimes I get surprised. May be it is only me.

AMEN.

******************************************************** Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:52:55 -0500 To: nepal@cs.niu.edu From: cy717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jai Maharaj) Subject: NON-TIBETANS CLEARED TO JOIN WALK TO LHASA

Forwarded message from Panther's Cave Downtown, Honolulu
  Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:38:22 -0500 From: World Tibet News <tibet@richters.com> To: Multiple recipients of list TIBET-L <TIBET-L@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
  NON-TIBETANS CLEARED TO JOIN WALK TO LHASA
  Non-Tibetans will be welcomed as active participants in the Tibetan Peace March from New Delhi to Lhasa, scheduled to begin on March 10, 1995.
  In a 2 Jan 95 message to the Canada Tibet Committee (CTC), Lobsang Nyandak, Secretary of the TIBETAN PEACE MARCH MOVEMENT, stated that the organizing committee has decided to "welcome any foreigners willing to join the peace walk to Lhasa."
  Originally, only Tibetans were to actually undertake the two and one-half month, 1700 kilometer (1054 mile) protest walk from the capital of India to the capital of Tibet. Non-Tibetans were to be permitted to provide support along the route of the March, but not actually participate as marchers.
  Questions from the North American Tibetan exile community and western supporters, led the March organizing committee to reconsider its earlier position on the matter.
  The Peace March is being organized by the Eight Tibetan Non-Governmental Organizations in Exile. According to March organizers, the purpose of the March is "to highlight the sufferings of the Tibetans under the repressive communist regime of China and seek the support of the people of the free world."
  The Peace March aims to "highlight the devious policies of the communist Chinese authorities in Tibet, particularly the massive transfer of ethnic Chinese into Tibet; large scale destruction of Tibet's environment; and the militarization and nuclearization of Tibet."
  The demands of the Marchers are:
  1) Halt the transfer of Chinese population to Tibet. 2) Unconditional release of all the political prisoners in Tibet. 3) Halt the indiscriminate exploitation of Tibet's natural resources
     and its environment. 4) Send United Nations delegation to monitor the situation in Tibet. 5) Preserve and respect the Tibetan religion, culture and language. 6) Make Tibet a Zone of Peace.
  The March will begin in New Delhi on March 10, 1995, the 36th Anniversary of Tibetan National Uprising Day,
  On this day in 1959, the Chinese occupation of Tibet was shaken by nation-wide outbreaks of protest, civil disobedience, and violent confrontation by Tibetans chafing under the rule of the invaders. Later that year, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the spiritual and political leader of the Tibetan people fled into India and exile, along with Tibetan government and almost 100,000 Tibetans.
  Information of use to individuals who wish to participate in the Peace March will be posted as they become available. See PEACE MARCH Update - 2 for information useful to individuals who wish to provide material and/or financial support to the Peace March.
 
              SUPPORTING THE TIBETAN PEACE MARCH TO LHASA
  Individuals who wish to support the planned Tibetan Peace March from New Delhi to Lhasa, scheduled to begin on March 10, 1995, have a number of opportunities available to them.
  BACKGROUND:
  Tibetans in exile are undertaking a massive Peace March from New Delhi, the capital of India, to Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, to highlight the sufferings of the Tibetans under the repressive communist regime of China and seek support from the people of the free world. Tibetans and Tibet supporters throughout the globe will sit for a 24-hour Hunger Strike on March 10, 1995 - the 36th Anniversary of Tibetan National Uprising Day - to support the Peace March to Lhasa.
  See PEACE MARCH Update - 1 for details as to the purpose and goal of the March.
  SUPPORTING THE PEACE MARCH:
 
 - Take part in the 24-hour Hunger Strike on March 10, 1995 by
   Tibetans and Tibet supporters around the world in support of the
   Marchers and the six million Tibetans.
 
 - Donate to the Peace March the amount of money that you would be
   spending for food on March 10. At present, the Tibet Rights Campaign
   (TRC) and the Canade Tibet Committee (CTC) are collecting donations
   to be sent to the Peace March Movement headquarters in India.
   (Make checks payable to "TRC/Peace March" or "CTC/Peace March."
   Addresses are provided below.
 
   Additional contributions are of course gratefully accepted.
   Arrangements are being made to accept and forward donations
   of medical supplies, camping/marching equipment, and other
   items of logistic support.
 
 - Write to the mainstream and sidestream electronic and print media to
   ensure awareness and encourage coverage of this historic event.
   Inform the Executive and Legislative branches of your national
   government of your interests and concerns on this matter.
 
 - Organize Candle Light Vigils and Peace Marches.
 
 - Join the Signature Campaign launched by the TIBETAN PEACE
    MARCH MOVEMENT.
 
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 ================================================ Signature Campaign PEACE MARCH TO LHASA
 ================================================ To the Secretary General of the United Nations:
  We, the undersigned, are gravely concerned about the sufferings of the Tibetan people under the communist Chinese illegal occupation. The most critical threat confronting them is the massive influx of Chinese civilians into Tibet which has reached 7.5 million, outnumbering the native 6 million Tibetans. Tibetans are not only marginalised in economical, political and social spheres, but the very identity of Tibetans as a distinct people and culture is also threatened.
  While supporting the PEACE MARCH of the Tibetans, we urge the United Nations to prevail upon the Chinese government to immediately stop its population transfer to Tibet and to respect the cultural heritage and basic human rights of all Tibetans. We also call upon the United Nations to implement the three UN Resolutions passed on Tibet, particularly the 1965 Resolution calling for the self-determination of the Tibetan people in Tibet. We, the people of the free world, can't afford to remain a silent spectator while a part of our (human) civilization is being wiped out from the face of the earth.
  NAME ADDRESS SIGNATURE
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  Please return the filled petitions to TIBETAN PEACE MARCH
  MOVEMENT, c/o U-tsang Association, McLeod Ganj - 176219, Dharamsala, H.P. India, not later than May 1, 1995. Fax: (0091) 11 6114858.
 
  NOTE: A pre-printed hard copy of this petition form, suitable
              for multiple reproduction, is available on request from:
 
              Tibetan Rights Campaign (TRC)
              P.O. Box 31966
              Seattle, WA 982103-0066
 
              tel: (206) 547-1015
              e-mail: trcseattle@igc.apc.org
 
  Address of the Canada Tibet Committee is as follows:
 
              Canade Tibet Committee (CTC)
              4675 Coolbrook
              Montreal, Quebec
              Canada H3X 2K7
 
              tel: 514-487-0665
              fax: 514-487-7825
              e-mail: fourniel@ERE.UMontreal.CA
 
   TIBETAN PEACE MARCH MOVEMENT Contact Person:
 
              Lobsang Nyandak
              Secretary
              Tibetan Peace March Movement
              c/o U-tsang Association
              McLeod Ganj - 176219
                                              Dharamshala, H.P. India
 
              tel: 0091 11 6114959/6114849
              fax: 0091 11 6114858
  Namaste.
 
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