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Editorial Note: Apparently, the following interview has been going around
and so I thought it would be interesting to post it here. I am posting
it for a number of reasons: 1) The interview in itself is a fun thing to
read: the crackpot ambition of a crackpot fanatic roaming the deserts; 2)
More than the interview itself, the person who has been circulating it
nanafadnavis, indeed! remember this Indian patriot of 1857 Mutiny
against the British who died somewhere in the jungles of Nepal after the
Mutiny failed?) seems to belong to the same basket of eggs as the Muslim
fanatic. There are many in South Asia, who would like to have one
country or another to be either Buddhist-only, Hindu-only, Muslim-only;
and the bloody history of South Asia is partly the result of this
fanaticism. What is Nepal (a country that has more or less escaped this
mainstream South Asian history) going to do about it? What is its
contribution? To join the mainstream South Asian history or chart a
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 01 AUG 1999 23:57:13 GMT From: firstname.lastname@example.org Newgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka, soc.culture.burma, soc.culture.nepal Subject: Islamic plan for genocide of Hindus and Buddhists
This interview was published in February 1999 issue of "Jamhooria
Islamia" a monthly Baluchi magazine published from Panj-gar
This is translated for information purposes only. The poster need not be
supportive of the ideas presented in the interview.
Thanks to Jamil Baloch and Omar Nasr-Ullah who did the translation.
Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan
Interviewed by Jalil Amir
Q:Please tell us about your stay with Qazi Hussain Ahmed
A:Qazi has two bungalows in Peshawar. We spent lot of time in both the
houses. The first house is where his family lived and the second house
was his office and rest house. But he used to meet all his friends and
relatives and political workers only in his family house. He made sure
at least for 3 days in a week, Qazi and his close friends used to spend
time in his rest house. Unlike his family house, the rest house had all
the amenities that one can think of. It had 36-inch television. 2
satellite dishes to receive all kinds of telecasts from all over the
world. He had made extensive notes on all the telecasts. We used to
discuss all the things under the sun in his rest house.
I had a habit of drinking small amounts of wine. Qazi never drank or
smoked. Qazi knew about my weakness for wine. He advised me not to drink
and asked me to follow the steps of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) . Though I
had a habit of drinking only in very small amounts of fine wine just
before dinner, on Qazi's insistence, I left that habit. When I was
studying in engineering college, I had started the habit of smoking too.
I left that habit after Qazi's advice on smoking.
I stayed with Qazi for almost 6 years in Peshawar. I did not agree to
some of the strategies used by JI during the after Zia years. Qazi is a
very practical man while I was more of an idealist at that time. I was
insisting that the JI should not rely on ballot as the only route to
power. Qazi was insisting that ballot is the only way for JI to come to
power in Pakistan. This introduced a sense of alienation between Qazi
and me. Hence when I went to Baluchistan to meet my parents, I stayed
back rather than going back to Peshawar. Even though almost weekly once
we talk over phone, Qazi never called me back to stay with him and I
found my work as the Jamaat teacher in Quetta where I stay now with my
parents and family.
Yet, my years with Qazi in Peshawar and around the world with him were
the most satisfying years in my life intellectually.
Q: What are Qazi's views on Islam and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
A: Qazi was a great admirer and student of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) . He
modeled his whole thoughts and life on the life and teachings of
Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded many times by Qazi when he does a small
thing, he will immediately compare that incident with an incident in
Al-Hadith and explain that he did what Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) did 10
centuries ago. I had never seen a person who had modeled his whole life
on sayings and teachings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) like Qazi.
Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban and some
fundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom of women. While some
progressive Muslim intellectuals are insisting that the women are equal
to men in all spheres. What are Qazi's views on women?
A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)'s views on women are
the exact views of Qazi. Equality of men and women is stupidity. What
men can do, women cannot do and what women can do, men cannot do. Women
are weak physically and mentally compared to men. For this we do not
need any proof other than to just look at men and women. Men have to
take care of women all the time. If some women do not have any male
relatives, then they have to find a man and marry him so that he will
take care of her. Women should not have life outside the family.
Education can be provided to them but not to compete with men in public.
Neither they can fight in war nor they can be of use in peacetime
politics. Qazi had said once that JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will
abolish the voting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men
can participate in voting or standing for elections. When I asked the
proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in support of that. I
asked him why is that it is never talked openly in the public by Jamaat.
Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place. But JI did not make
it a big issue since the women who currently have the voting may vote
against JI in the elections if such a thing is said openly. For this I
was against. in my opinion, since all the main leaders of Jamaat
believes that women will not have voting rights after they come to
power, they should openly say that. If you do not say now and then you
remove the voting rights later when you come to power, that is going to
build a resentment among the people. But Qazi was firmly of the opinion
that JI should not say that now.
Q:That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they have to pay
A:Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by Qazi, the idea of Jizya
is not protection money. But it is a monetary force on the non-Muslim to
convert to Islam. Once the Jamaat comes to power, the minorities will
be induced (forced) to become Muslims either by monetary or
psychological factors. JI is already equating the India with Hindus so
that the Hindus of Pakistan will be forced to become Muslims. This was
very successful strategy during the Babri Masjid riots. JI actively
involved in destroying the Hindu temples in Punjab and Sindh. We ordered
the destruction of the Hindu family property too. But our main aim was
to destroy the Hindu temples. We wrote the JI pamphlets that destroying
each pagan temple make a Muslim move closer to heaven of Allah. We used
the Hadiths in all the pamphlets. Babar destroyed the Ram temple in
Ayodhya. Because he was a true believer. The same way every Muslim
should take upon himself to destroy the Hindu temples in Pakistan. Our
idea was to encourage the Muslims of India also to destroy the Hindu
temples in India. But this was not met with much success since the Hindu
police in India started attacking the Muslims who were doing the Allah's
Q: What kind of government that JI envisages for Pakistan?
A: It will be the Sharia govt. Sharia will be made our constitution so
that the eminent Muslim scholars who had completed the schooling in
Madrassas will be appointed as the Judges in every court. Qazi wanted to
make the presidium on the same model as the Khalifa. Presently our ideas
is that the entire top leadership of JI as well as all three military
Generals will be part of the presidium for which the Qazi will be the
Kalifa. We are keenly watching the progress of Taliban and learning from
it. We are impressed with the Taliban on the women issue, minorities
issue and law and order issue. Mullah Omar is a great friend of Qazi.
Omar had visited his house many times. In the tentative talks, we had
decided to form union of Pakistan and Afghanistan once the right
conditions are set in Pakistan (i.e. the JI government in Pakistan). Our
motto is Constant Jihad. The idea is to keep Pakistan in a constant
state of Jihad all the time. Qazi's vision is that Pakistan will be
center of the new Islamic Empire that stretches from Burma to
Afghanistan and from Srilanka to Tajikistan including Kashmir. Towards
that end, Jamaat will use all tactics from terrorism in the
kafir-controlled areas to negotiations in the Muslim controlled areas.
Already the Jamaat leaders of Bangladesh and Jamaat leaders of India had
accepted the primacy of Pakistani leadership in this regard.
Q: Do they come to Pakistan?
A: Yes. We had made arrangements once in Peshawar and another time in
Multan during the Zia time. But the understanding remains even now.
Q: What about Srilanka and Burma?
A: Both are Buddhist nations. For that matter even Baluchistan and
Afghanistan were Buddhist once while Sindh and Punjab were Hindu
earlier. Buddhists are generally weaker in matters of faith. Hence we
hope they will become Muslim with a little pressure. But that will
happen only after Jamaat conquers first Pakistan and then India.
Q: What are the plans for India? It looks like entire India policy of
Jamaat revolves around Kashmir.
A: Yes that is true. But that is for a very good reason. See Kashmir is
like a keystone that sits on a top of the arch. It is true that the arch
holds the entire weight of the keystone. But if you remove the keystone,
then the whole arch falls down. That is why it is called keystone.
Kashmir is the keystone for India. Once you remove that, then India can
no longer be secular and it will not be a united country either. like
the stones of the arch, all the bricks will fall down. Qazi impressed
this idea upon Zia. Hence Zia started the Operation Topac. Operation
Topac's idea is not to get Kashmir for Pakistan as thought of by Indian
analysts. Operation Topac is much more. The ultimate aim of Operation
Topac is to make India a million pieces so that it is easy for Pakistan
to swallow India once piece at a time. That is why Pakistan was
encouraging the militancy movements all over India. Once Kashmir is
taken out, these militancy movements will break India by asking the
similar freedom for Nagaland, Kerala, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur,
Assam, Jharkand, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal and Khalistan. But Benazir
destroyed our whole plan by giving away the details of the operation
Topac to Indian govt. led by Rajiv Gandhi. That was a big set back for
our vision. But yet we are moving ahead.
Q: I heard that she gave away only details about Khalistan movement.
A: That is true. In my opinion, that is why I think the damage is
limited. India thinks and deals with separatist movements in different
parts of India as if they are genuine movements even now. In that way, I
say, the damage is limited.
Q: Do you think if the states if India became independent countries, no
such similar movement will start in Pakistan itself?
A: No. Jiye Sindh movement and small separatist movements in Baluchistan
and Peshawar are contained. We are not going to deal with the separatism
in Pakistan as India treats the separatists. It will be Taliban style.
Actually we do not foresee any position for opposition in JI ruled
Pakistan. Hence the BNP and Pakhtoonkwa leaders will be made irrelevant.
A: Coming back to the same point, If India to become many countries how
do you deal with the individual Hindu states. They may even become big
enemies of Pakistan. Or they may again regroup to challenge Pakistan.
A: Qazi and other people had already discussed this possibility. In our
opinion, such a thing is not possible since the language and cultural
differences between states in India are enormous. There is no language
like Urdu to bind all Indians. English and not Hindi that is common
language between all the states of India. Hence we have planned to start
riots in each state against the neighborhood state people so that the
states will always be at the state of war. For example there are lot of
Kannadigas in TamilNadu and Telugu in Madras. We will start the anti
-telugu riots in Madras, which will keep the Andhrapradesh and TamilNadu fighting. If we keep a bomb in Telugu Cinema Theater in Madras and keep a bomb in Tamil Movie Theater in Andhra, the war between Tamilnadu and Andhra will run for eternity. The similar things can be done in Assam cultural center in Bengal and Hindi prachar sabha in Orissa. Given the differences between the nationalities in India, the options for Pakistan are endless. Qazi's vision is to make entire India a 100% Muslim Nation. A United India, where Hindus are majority is an impediment to that. Like Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) made Muslims out of pagans of Arabia, Qazi also wants to make Muslims out of the pagans of India.
Q: This is a great vision since this was not even possible for the
Muslim dynasties and Moguls who ruled India for the last 700 years.
A: True. That is because they had never really established the Muslim
Empire. Though the Kings were Muslims they had entertained the Hindus in
positions of power. When you make an unequivocal statement that only
Muslims are voters and declare that India is Islamic republic, then
automatically the people will become Muslims. Little bit of terror had
to be applied to the heart of Hindus and Christians. I will give you a
best example. The portions now constitute Pakistan had 25% Hindu
population before Independence. After independence lot of Hindus
migrated to India. Yet after the migration, Pakistani Hindu population
was 15%. Do you know what is the percentage now? It is less than 1%. How
was this made possible? How did the Hindus converted to Islam in a short
span of 20 years whereas for 700 years they had never converted to
Islam? That is purely because of the terror of the partition. That
terror forced the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become Muslims.
Pure and simple. JI used similar techniques in Punjab and Sindh each
time a riot breaks out in India, we had used that pretext to strike
terror among the Hindus, Christians and Ahmaddiahs. The similar terror
will be at the heart of the every non-Muslim both Hindu as well as
Christian in coming years in entire India. Qazi is a analytical genius
who knows every strategy that is used by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) will
be and should be used in India to achieve the total submission to Allah.
Q: Do you envision a possibility that when the Kashmir becomes part of
Pakistan, there could be large-scale riots in India against Indian
Muslims? Hence unwittingly Kashmir could lead to more deaths of Indian
Muslims and damage Islamic Ummah.
A: Yes that is a possibility. But our ideology is based on Quran and
Hadiths. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in numerous Hadiths and Allah in Quran
had said that any Muslim who associates with a polytheist in a
polytheist. Muslims cannot be friendly with a non-Muslim. This includes
the Christians, Jews and Hindus. Also Mohammad (PBUH) says that even if
the Muslim ruler is not good, the Muslims stay with the ruler than to go
out to a non-Muslim country. Hadiths and Quran are very explicit
regarding this. All the Muslims who did not migrate to Pakistan during
Partition are in essence Hindus. They may think that they are Muslims.
But not before Allah. They are as self-deluded as the Ahmaddiahs who
think they are Muslims when everyone knows that they are not Muslims.
Hence the Muslims of India who had decided to stay in India during
partition are not Muslims and their progeny are not Muslim (since they
did not migrate to Muslim lands). Another thing that I noticed in my
journeys in India is that the Hindu farmers generally offer their entire
harvest to their gods at the end of their harvesting season. This makes
the entire crop as haram for Muslims. Yet these so called Muslims of
India are forced to eat this food which was already offered to some
other God other than Allah thallah. This is explicitly forbidden in
Quran. And this is one of the serious problems of living in non-Muslim
countries. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) knew such things; that is why he
ordered Muslims not to live in non-Muslim areas. Yet knowingly these so
called Muslims live in India. Again all the Muslims who migrate to
other countries and US are non-Muslims. Only the Muslims who intend to
come back are Muslims not the ones who decide to stay in such countries.
Hence we do not care if such Indian Muslims die in the riots. But due to
strategy reasons we do have excellent relations with these Muslims. All
the Muslims who work for Pakistan and for glory of Ummah are real
Muslims. They are our front line troops in non-Muslim countries. Hence
we have to distribute the arms and ammunitions to these real Muslims in
case of riots come to their door.
Whereas the Kashmiri Muslims are pure Muslims who are toiling under the
yoke of Hindu rule. They are victimized by the international conspiracy
to keep them under the Hindu rule. That issue is part of the incomplete
partition. Whereas the Indian Muslims have accepted partition and stayed
on in India knowingly.
Q: Yet the popular uprising in Kashmir was missing in 1965 as well as in
A: That is true. That may be because of the clout of Sheik Abdullah of
Kashmir during 1948 war. Actually the Muslim population in Jammu Kashmir
was only marginally higher than Hindus. Muslims constituted 58% while
the non-Muslims constituted the 42%. Hence the operation Topac aimed at
eliminating the Kashmiri Pandits from the valley. We thought all of them
will go to India. Instead many went to Jammu and only very little went
to India. Hence we had to ask Harkatul to start terrorising the Hindus
in Jammu. We also expected large scale war against Muslims in Jammu as
well as in all the parts of India because of the killings. Indian govt
suppressed these information. Another thing that was not done is the
complete removal of Buddhists and Hindus from Jammu and Kashmir. We
could do only in Valley and not in jammu and Ladakh. Hence the
population of Muslims in Jammu and Kashmir is around 65% only according
Q: Tell us about your stay in Saudi Arabia.
A: We embarked on a Umra as team of JI leaders. of course, Zia had
arranged every convenience for us. We were accommodated in a Sheik's
house. He is one of the richest Builders in Saudi Arabia. He owns few
gold shops in Qatar too. Sheik was a personal friend of Zia Ul Haq.
During the time of Zia, we were not politically active. Since Zia did
whatever Qazi wanted, there was no need for political power either.
Hence we had lot of time. That is the main reason why we stayed 3 full
months in Sheik's palace. This sheik comes from a Bedouin family of
southwestern Arabia. He had the habit of drinking camel urine and camel
milk early in the morning. I asked him why does he do that? He replied
that it is the family tradition as well as Islamic practice that is
supported by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded. But Qazi
explained to me that it is true. He told me three or four Hadiths in
which the camel urine and camel milk drinking is suggested. So Qazi
wanted to drink the camel urine and camel milk along with the Sheik.
Since I could not bring up myself to drink the camel urine, I drank only
fresh camel milk, which was thick and frothy. But Qazi drank the camel
urine and camel milk the same amount and same time as the sheik. Qazi
astounded me in this incident. I am amazed by the fact that Qazi was
ready to go any length to mould his life in the teachings of the
Q: Does he continue to do that even today?
A: No. He bought a camel after coming to Pakistan. Three years later he
had kidney stones problem. As per the doctor's advice he had to stop
drinking the urine while he continued the drinking camel milk. Doctor
advised him to stop drinking the milk as well since the camel milk is
rich in calcium compared to the cow milk. I think he stopped drinking
any milk or milk products. But he had said that once JI comes to power
in Pakistan, he will popularize the camel milk and camel urine drinking
in Pakistan. But I doubt he can do that. In my opinion, only camel milk
can be popularized.
Q: That is quite news to me. How was your stay in Arabia otherwise?
A: First I have to tell you that Saudi Arabia, as a country name, is
wrong. It is Just Arabia. Only that Saudi dynasty rules over some parts
of Arabia. You cannot put your name before a holyland as if you own that
land. For Pakistan if Nawaz rules it, will it become Sheriff Pakistan
and tomorrow Bhutto rules it and will it become Bhutto Pakistan?
Anyway, one thing we noticed is that the Arabians own slaves. Though
Allah says that the slaves should be treated in a nice manner, he did
not advocate the abolition of slavery. If slavery is bad as considered
in today's world, Allah certainly would have said that the slavery is
wrong. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) also said that the slaves should be
treated in a good manner and the slaves should be released often. But if
there is no slavery how can anyone release slaves? Hence the
reintroduction of slavery in Pakistan is one of the future plans of
Jamaat. All the captured Hindu Indians and Srilankans will be made
slaves to work for Pakistani Muslims. Every God abiding Pakistani Muslim
will get slaves once we conquer India. All the slaves who embrace Islam
will be set free. Slavery is Islamic. Jamaat is the only political
party, which does not voice any opposition to the slavery of Harees
(defeated) in Pakistan. We went around all over Arabia. We were surprised to know that there are some Hindus in Yemen. These ancient Yemeni Hindus are not Indians. In my opinion, these Hindus are traders from India in the ancient times. I was also surprised to know that they have a Shiva temple in Yemen. Qazi was very unhappy over this. When he talked to Yemen leaders, he broached this subject. But the Yemeni leaders refused Qazi's suggestion of forced conversion of these people to Islam. I don't know why they refuse. I think it may be due to the large population of Hindus from India who work in Yemen and Arabia. He disliked the current leadership of Arabia for this reason. In his opinion, Arabia should not allow any non-Muslim into holy lands of Arabia. Arabia should be 100% pure. Large number of Hindus in Arabia is corrupting the Arabians. Though they live as contractors, they have the potential of corrupting the minds of the Arabians. One such thing is the presence of Arabians in Qatar Hindu temple. First the king allowed the Hindus to build a temple and church in the holy lands there by polluting the Holy Land. Second is that even a member of the Royal family visit that temple to inaugurate that temple. To the horror of Qazi he had learnt that one of the powerful member of Qatar royal family is a devotee of a god called Aayanppan. This news resolved Qazi to fight the force of the devil thousand fold.
Q: Such things happen in Pakistan today. I mean a friend of mine goes to
a Hindu temple. Another friend goes to church meetings.
A: Yes. One of Qazi's relatives wanted to become a Hindu. He did not
have a child for many years and it seems he had prayed to a Hindu God
and got the child. Hence he felt thankful to that god and wanted to
become a Hindu. Qazi got to know of this and called him and threatened
him dire consequences. That relative did not become a Hindu. But that
incident made Qazi read more about apostasy. Quran and Hadith clearly
say the punishment for abandonment of Islam is death. Since Sharia is
not the law in Pakistan, and the current Pakistani constitution grants
right to change the religion, it is legally correct to declare oneself
as Hindu or Christian. But once JI takes over the government, it will
make Sharia as the constitution. Then Pakistan also legally execute any
person who leaves Islam and joins Ahmaddiah, Christianity or Hinduism
the same way Iran and Taliban treats its apostates. He also opined that
the presence of the Hindu temples in Pakistan is the root cause of the
problem and hence we want to destroy all the Hindu temples and Churches
Q: This brings us into another area. Right now Internet is becoming
widespread. Even Saudi Arabia is connected with outside world.
Destroying the temples may be good but how we can insulate the Pakistani
and Muslim people against the corrupting knowledge totally?
A: JI had taken a principled stand on the matter of science and
religion. Religion is far superior to science. Whatever man needs to
know is in Quran and Hadiths. Knowing more will create problems like the
Atom bomb and Television. Quran and Hadiths are explicit in denouncing
pictures. Yet the lure of Satan in the form of photography and
television is eating our lives. Music previously was confined only to
the vocal singing. Now science and technology made the music widespread
at a cheaper price. These are the lures of Satan. We have to on guard
against these harami things.
Hence more science and technology is bad for the civilization. I had
completed civil engineering. Hence I am privy to scientific knowledge. I
can tell you how corrupting that is. It even makes you question the
glorious Quran. There are many Hadiths, which say that the earth is
flat. But any science will tell you the earth is a sphere. But you can
use the same science like relativity theory to prove that the earth is
flat. It is the same case with evolution. But the point being that the
doubt is sown in the minds of the people on the validity of Quran as the
word of God. More and more we work hard in proving the Quran's
scientific correctness, more and more people will get apprehensive of
the truth of Quran. This is an abomination. This is why when we talk of
education, we talk of religious education and not scientific education.
It is true that science grew after Prophet's revolution in Arabia. That
was start of science. Now each and every science is filled with anti-god
stuff. If you want to become a doctor, you have to read evolution. If
you have to read any engineering you have to believe in the billions of
years old universe theory which effectively says that the human beings
came to world only in just one or two million years back.
Q: But we still need the arms and knowledge of western world, which
believes in science. And again you had referred to television as evil.
If we abolish photography how can we have passports or identification
A: Yes. That is strategic. With the help of Allah, we will be given oil
for them to run their cars and we will have arms in that place. We will
use their arms to destroy them in the course of time. As for as photos
are concerned, they will be banned as it is done in Afghanistan. If
there is no need for people to go out of Pakistan where is the need for
the passports? For those who have to travel to other countries like the
leaders of the revolution, they only will be given the passport with
photos. For that, we will allow limited photography licensed only to
govt. And the biggest corruption in today's Pakistan is Indian
satellite TV and Indian cinemas and Indian songs. We have to abolish
Q: Currently we have lot of opposition from Mohajirs regarding
reservations. What kind of reservation policy that JI will have in
A: We approach that problem as the problem of language. Urdu speaking
Muslims and Sindhi speaking Muslims are fighting now. We plan to abolish
all the regional languages like Pashto, Sindhi, Baluchi, Urdu, Punjabi
and Brahvi. We want all the people of Pakistan to speak Arabic which is
our divine language. This will make everyone equal before everyone else
and there would not be any need for language or region based
reservations. We also hope that this will make the Quran and Hadiths
easier to understand and will make the people follow Quran and Hadiths
to the letter.
Q: There could be language riots. One such language riot resulted in
A: Bangladesh was not a result of language riot. The very idea that they
are Muslims will bring the Bangladeshis to Arabic. We already fund
heavily on the Arabic language courses all over India, Bangladesh and
Pakistan. From Morocco to Iraq speaks in Arabic, I don't see any reason
why from Morocco to Burma we will not bring Arabic to the people. Even
Bangladesh will start speaking in Arabic. That time there won't be any
Bangladesh where the country name itself has the name of the language.
Yes. Right now our aim is just for reunification without touching on the
language issue of Bengali. JI of Bangladesh is working towards this aim.
Q: The secular journalists of Pakistan oppose JI. For example the Dawn
and News are very critical of JI. How do you see their role in future?
A: Ardheshir cowasjee is able to work only because of the present
constitution of Pakistan. When Sharia becomes constitution, he cannot
even approach the court, as he is a kafir. We see secular journalists as
our main enemy in the current struggle to reach the power. These secular
journalists are digging our statements we made during the
pre-independence days and trying to beat us. Of course we opposed the
creation of Pakistan during the British times. But that was a different
Jamaat. Our history starts with independence. Secular journalists are
not Muslims even though some of them are carrying Muslim names. Let them
come to us and let us ask questions on Quran and Hadiths. We will prove
each and every thing we say is from Quran and Hadiths. Let them prove
what we say are wrong from the Quranic angle. Then we will accept them.
But they cannot. They can not match us in any debate concerning the
Quran and Hadiths. We can comprehensively prove that they are indeed
non-Muslims. They are like Quadianis who say that the Muslim need not
take upon Jihad as an obligation. That is pure nonsense.
Q: What is your plan in Quetta?
A: I have family in Panj-gur. I have my work in Quetta. Hence I travel
all the time. Though I am a close friend of Qazi, and though he asked me
to take up organizational work, I refused that since I am not really
good in organizational work. There are very good people who are very
good in organizational work in Quetta. I am being contented with the
closeness of Qazi and being an ideologue of JI. Sometimes I speak in the
Jamaat meetings. Otherwise my time is spent in reading and sending notes
Q:Thanks for your time.
A: May Allah's blessings be with you.
Date: July 23, 1999
To: The Nepal Digest <email@example.com>
Subject: Nepali News
World's poorest region mulls free trade area
10:09 a.m. Jul 18, 1999 Eastern
KATHMANDU, July 18 (Reuters) Officials from seven South Asian nations -- the poorest region in the world -- have begun work on a treaty to set up a free trade area, the regional forum said.
A statement by South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) said member countries adopted the terms of reference defining the scope and coverage of the free trade area.
``The SAARC secretariat has been requested to prepare the preliminary draft of the treaty,'' the statement, issued late on Saturday, said.
Officials would meet again in October to discuss the draft and consider tariff and non-tariff measures, the Kathmandu-based SAARC secretariat said.
SAARC, launched in 1985 for the economic development of the region, groups Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
Its members have been implementing preferential trading arrangements since December 1995.
Member nations have agreed to give 10 to 100 percent tariff concessions for 5,400 goods agreed under SAPTA provisions to boost regional trade.
Officials said the draft of a treaty to establish the free trade area was expected to be ready by 2001.
The establishment of the free trade area itself would take longer as members would have to make national preparations to fully put it in place, they said.
Source: Explore Nepal
Twelve girls trafficked every day
Prince Charles, heir to the British throne, was obviously touched last year when he visited "Maiti Nepal", the NGO working in the Himalayan Kingdom for the rehabilitation of former sex workers. He later sent the NGO a cheque for about 67,000 pounds sterling raised through the sale of limited editions of his own paintings. It is not hard to imagine how someone should be so moved by the plight of these women. The horrendous experience they undergo and the sheer magnitude of the problem boggle the mind.
The basic facts and figures are now common knowledge, although those doing social work in this field say the problem is complicated by lack of verifiability and the existence of ‘soft’ trafficking in women as distinct from the hard core cases.
According to Maiti Nepal, some 300,000 women and girls from this country are working as prostitutes abroad, most of them beguiled into this calling far away from their sleepy villages by unscrupulous middle men and middle women. About 200,000 of them languish in brothels in the big cities of India such as Calcutta, Delhi and Bombay. Activists say the figure could be higher counting thousands of those newly trafficked to India’s smaller towns. Some studies place the number as high as 250,000. They are sold into the brothels there to live an abject life of sex slavery.
Some 35 percent of the girls trafficked to Indian brothels are there against their will, although in several cases the girls are themselves enthusiastic about going to a place like Bombay. Some educated women also end up in Bombay. Demand for Nepalese girls is high because of their quiet nature and natural beauty. Out of every 10 sex workers in India, five are from Nepal or Bangladesh, and 75 percent are illiterate.
According to Anti-Slavery International, 20 percent of Nepalese sex workers in India are below 16. Working conditions for children in brothels are at times compared to jails and forced labour camps.
The only way these girls and women can break out of this twilight existence is when they become too old to ply the trade, contract HIV/AIDS, or, very rarely, manage to escape and find their way back to the hills of Nepal.
More and more of the girls are also trafficked now to countries other than India and to other parts of the world, such as Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore and the Middle East. But India remains the largest market. The demand for girl children is increasing, especially in the Middle East.
An emerging trend is that traffickers now go for a variety of ethnic communities from all over Nepal. Girls trafficked used to come mostly from the Tamang community in Nuwakot and Sindhupalchowk. But no more. Another trend is that they no longer sell to big cities in India. The focus is shifting to small towns across the border.
Certain areas like the Terai plains in the south of the country, which had been free from the influence of girl trafficking and sex trade, are now coming under the influence of these practices.
The plight of Nepalese women working as domestic help in the Gulf is no better as they too end up being sexually exploited. Following public hue and cry HMG has barred Nepalese women from going to work in The Middle East. But middle men get around this by first taking them to India across the wide open border between the two countries.
How did this whole problem get out of hand, for that is indeed what has happened. Anuradha Koirala of Maiti Nepal, which handed pamphlets over the issue to some 100 MPs at the opening of Parliament on June 21, says nearly 40 girls are trafficked every month through four transit points between Nepal and India. But there are 21 entry points. Maiti Nepal records at least 12 girl trafficking cases every day.
Activists say this social malaise is going on under the very noses of politicians and administrators. They blame a nexus between politicians, police and criminals as the root cause. Recently politicians have protected traffickers under party umbrellas, it is reported.
Organised forces are said to be operating along the Indian border to guarantee safe passage to traffickers as well as to the girls being trafficked.
Be that as it may, lack of political commitment by leaders, particularly after the political changes of 1990 when multi-parliamentary democracy was re-introduced into Nepal, has surely aggravated the problem.
The existing civil code and the flesh trade control act, if enforced strictly, would be effective. A criminal could get up to 20 years in jail. But they are seldom enforced, says Khagendra Niraula, an advocate.
Another dimension of the problem is that thousands of girls and women engaged in the flesh trade within Nepal, party in Kathmandu valley. The number of sex workers here is estimated to be 5,000; including 1,000 children. The total number of sex workers in Nepal is estimated to be 25,000. One reason why the sex trade has been thriving in Nepal is the absence of defined red light areas in towns and cities. Sex workers are diffused throughout the country.
It is also common knowledge now that in certain communities like the Badi, girls are forced into the sex trade as a social custom. The Badis, whose traditional occupation was to entertain the feudal classes with music and dance, became dependent on prostitution after the wane of these classes in Nepal. The population of Badis is estimated to be 7,000. Badi parents are commonly against their daughters getting married since they are the ones supporting the family. The Badi even organize a ceremony to mark a girl’s first step into prostitution, which is after puberty.
Similarly, under the Deuki system, girls are offered to temples as religious gifts. Deuki means a girl offered to God and she is not expected to marry. They are usually from extremely poor families and this factor leads them to become sex worker as they grow up. The Deuki population is estimated at 1,000.
Economic, social, cultural and religious factors contribute to the growth of the sex trade in Nepal. Apart from market demand, other causes are poverty, inferior status of women in society, illiteracy, ignorance and persuasion from traffickers.
Sex workers returning from India with material goods also influence rural girls to go for prostitution in a clear case of the demonstration effect.
Source: Awake Nepal
Ministers involved to free the robbers
Police has arrested six out of nine who made a daring day-light robbery at the shop of one Sudan Shakya, getting away with about Rs. 10 million worth of cash, gold and other jewellery.
Among those who are arrested are Basant Lama or Kavre, Umesh Shrestha of Bhaktapur and one Rajesh Rai. Police has confiscated Rs. 2.8 million and about 230 tolas of gold (one tola is about 11 grams). Police has also confiscated three motorcycles used in the robbery.
All those robbers, including the three arrested, are said to be active members of the Nepali Congress. Among them Umesh Shrestha has served a prison term for murdering an active member of the AANFSU, the student wing of the UML. He was later released from jail by the Nepali Congress. Similarly, Basant Lama is another infamous criminal.
All these persons were used by the Nepali Congress during the elections.
Now, four incumbent Nepali Congress ministers are involved to prove them innocent and free them from jail. The ministers involved as Minister for Works and Transport Khum Bahadur Khadka, Foreign Minister Ram Sharan Mahat, Minister for Youth, Sports and Culture Sharad Singh Bhandari and Foreign and Soil Conservation minister Mahanta Thakur. They had hasked the Prime Minister and Home Minister to save them for being Nepali Congress workers. But the Prime Minister saying that if they are freed now it would blow everything, has asked them to wait for six months.
(Chalphal, July 25, Sunday)
Source: The Kathmandu Post
A poor country with rich ministers
By Saubhagya Shah
The great expectations with Kishunji’s leadership was first shaken by the size and composition of his cabinet - it was too large and some of the most corrupt and crooked characters found choice berths again. Any lingering hopes were killed last week when the council of ministers took a cabinet decision to significantly increase the perks and privileges of ministers and parliamentary leaders.
The unfortunate decision has both material and symbolic consequences. Material because the sum in question is not insignificant in a country where the average per capita income is less than Rs 1000 per month and 70 percent of the people live below the poverty line. The 100 percent hike will mean that ministers will now receive Rs 100,000 for furnishing their apartment and Rs 20,000 as monthly rent. This is in addition to their hefty salary, allowances, discretionary funds, pension, custom duty exemption, transportation and the cushy ‘side incomes’.
The disgraceful decision - is symbolically a litmus test of the new government’s real intentions and priorities. The self-appropriating move was the first major decision taken by Kishunji’s government, even before the annual budget was presented in parliament. It is nothing less than hypocrisy that this self-enriching deal was struck under Kishunji’s primeministership, a ‘saintly’ leader who actively cultivates an aura of simplicity, austerity and modesty regarding worldly possessions.
If politicians know that they can always recover their election investments with interest, the election costs will keep escalating like the arms race. If we are serious about containing the distorting influence of money in the election process, we need to impose not only campaign spending limits but also impose ceilings on how much they make in office. Those who want to make quick big bucks need to go into some other suitable trade. The chief motivation for those aspiring to public office should be public service, not riches. Depending upon performance, such a vocation will garner respect, gratitude of the country, power and even a spot in history, but not huge sums of wealth.
One needs a bigger lie to cover up the first deception. Alerted by the rumblings in parliament against the recent ministerial privy purse increase, the government has sought to buy off the whole House by another shameful decision that will double the existing half-a-million rupee "development fund" accorded to each parliamentarians. What does this hush money speak about the integrity and independence of parliament from the government? The practice of doling out money to lawmakers under various pretexts whenever the cabinet is in a tight spot goes against one of the core principles of modern democracy: the separation of powers between the legislative, executive and judiciary. If legislators are going to be running their own lucrative and parallel development industry with money received from the government, how are they to find the time or the moral authority to maintain critical oversight over the omissions and commissions of the government - the primary purpose for which they!
are elected in the first place? The recent purchase of parliamentary silence by the government signals yet another systemic degeneration and decadence in democratic governance in Nepal. The salary and perks of even the president of the US and the British prime minister is not significantly out of proportion to the earning level of bureaucrats and it is always much lower than even what professors in Business Schools make. But in Nepal, public office is the quickest way to big money. The meteoric rags-to-riches stories of many of our leaders is testimony to this basic motivation in Nepali politics.
How else can one explain the exclusive island of privilege that has been created for our new elites? In the bad old days, when a male child was born to a Rana, the baby was immediately accorded the rank of a general in the army along with the pay and privileges that came with it. This was achieved by feudal fiat. It is ironic that comparable islands of privilege and luxury are now being constructed amidst a general mass of abject poverty through the exercise of the very sovereign democratic power that was supposed to deliver the country from the existing enclaves of elitist privileges. The emergent political character is a uniquely hybrid form: a truncated progressive rhetoric that has been sublimated by the simultaneous process of embourgeoisement and feudalization.
One of the basic impulses of a truly democratic polity should be to abolish all clusters of inborn political, social and most importantly, economic privileges. It is on the whole a egalitarian process that seeks to reduce the gap between the rulers and the ruled, leaders and the led not just in the sense of "one person, one vote" logic - but in all aspects of social existence. When one observes how our popular leaders, who until recently were the paragons of frugal and Spartan lifestyles, not just as a necessity but also as social philosophy, bloated beyond recognition from the luxury accruing from the spoils of state, one wonders where our system has gone amiss.
If consciousness is determined by material conditions, does a karodpati sansadji and mantrijis retain the same relation to his constituents as the one he had when he solicited their votes as a person of a far simpler material status? I am not arguing that parliamentarians should be made to take a vow of poverty or that they all be saints, but there is something to be said for modesty and restraint in public - particularly "people’s" leaders. Our honourable members of parliament and ministers ought to live within the means of taxpayers. Being a representative not only refers to the act of political mediation between the state and the people, but to some extent implies representing the constituency in its material and social generality.
Given the stated aversion of the public to previous raises in ministerial and parliamentary perks and privileges, how could the new "majority" government that promised to rid the country of corruption and anomalies take such a blatantly self-serving decision? What kind of moral message will this decision send to the Mafia that is the Bureaucracy-Business Complex? The recent decision becomes particularly regrettable in light of the fact that there had been clear public calls for withdrawing the custom duty exemption, pension and the half-a-million "development fund" given annually to lawmakers.
The decision is also one indicator of how much respect the popularly elected majority government accords to public opinion. The ministers spent fortunes in getting elected. Now that they are in the business of recouping their investments, they won’t be deterred by some bleeding-heart morality talk. Charity does begin at home for our honourable leaders who never tire of claiming they sacrificed all and suffered for the people and the country.
Source: The Kathmandu Post
Casteist sentiments are here to stay
By Hiralal Bishwokarma
KATHMANDU, Aug 4 - Although the Constitution of Nepal prohibits discrimination on the basis of caste, creed and gender, people of the oppressed community continue to be discriminated against.
Not only the illiterate people in rural area, urban educated people too haven’t been able to get over the traditional thinking of treating people of oppressed community as untouchable .
Ram Bahadur Nepali, a 35 years old labourer working in the Capital for the past 12 years, was hit by this hard reality when his landlords ostracised him for being an "untouchable".
Ram Bahadur, who used to watch television in the evening at his landlords house, was shunned from mixing with them once his real caste came out in the open. He had rented the room in the house owned by people of Chhetri community in Syuchatar.
His landlords came to know about this caste by accident. One of his neighbours identified his sister who was there to meet him as the daughter of a damai (people from tailor community). Ram Bahadur was nearly beaten by his landlords.
His wife, who worked as a domestic helper in the neighbourhood, however, wasn’t that lucky. She was physically assaulted by women of the locality.
Renuka Budhathoki, the landlady, is now preparing to conduct Rudri (a hindu ritual to worship lord Shiva) to cleanse the house as it has been occupied by untouchable.
"I will have to pay Rs 500 to them for the cost of Rudri" Ram Bahadur told The Kathmandu Post. He says he has never been so humiliated in his entire stay in the Capital. Ram Bahadur is not a descendant of a damai family. His father was from Giri caste but as he was a progressive reformist, he chose to marry a damai woman. The conservative society couldn’t digest it and treated him as an outcaste. Syuchatar is mostly inhabited by Chhetris. There’s only one another family of untouchable living there. This family has to undergo humiliation in every step. Shobha Gartaula who goes to fetch water in the common tap, has to stay away from other women while they fill their pots. Those who come after her first sprinkle water in the area to cleanse it before placing their pot under the tap.
Ram Bahadur’s landlady Renuka says she had been mixing freely with him and his family before they knew about his untouchable origin. "How can we go against the tradition and do the same now even after knowing about the fact?" she asks.
According to age old belief, touching an untouchable is like sinning. "We cannot end this age old belief in our lifetime," says Renuka. "It’s impossible."
Krishna Budhathoki, a Chhetri man who mediated to resolve the conflict, says the Dalits, who are discriminated on the basis of their caste should themselves protest it. "They’ll have to mobilise new generation for this."
Such incidents keep occurring from time to time. A few months back two Dalits were fined Rs 40,000 for entering a tea-stall owned by a person of higher caste in Sindhupalchowk.
The government prohibited practice of untouchability 36 years back through the Country Code. There is a provision in the Constitution to fine those treating Dalits as untouchable. The fine can go up to Rs 3,000 and one year imprisonment.
Nepal grandmother wrestles leopard to save toddler
KATHMANDU, Aug 2 (Reuters) - A three-year-old Nepali boy was rescued from the jaws of a leopard by his grandmother who wrestled with the animal in their back yard, police said on Monday.
The leopard pounced on Khageswar Bhattarai while he was playing last week at their house in Suping village in the Pyuthan district of west Nepal, about 350 km (220 miles) west of Kathmandu.
The child's grandmother in turn pounced on the leopard and wrestled the boy free, police said.
``The granny fainted shortly after rescuing the baby,'' Sita Bhattarai, the boy's mother, told Reuters by phone. The boy escaped with scratches to the neck
From: "Bhupendra Rawat" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Excerpts from a Mao-badi's diary: Real Stuff :-)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:41:30 EDT
Excerpts from a Maobadi's diary
By Bhupendra Rawat
June 10. Ukhubari, Rolpa. Got up at six a.m. Squatting on a boulder, smoked
a pack of Ganesh Bidis-- sending thick, black air curling up to the sky.
Enjoyed a delicious scratching of my favorite body parts. But recovered in
time to salute Chairman BRB as he passed by my tent on his way to the
toilet. In his booming, chairman-ly voice, BRB inquired, "Ke cha, comrade?"
I answered, "Thikai cha, hajoor". He flashed his Everest toothpaste smile,
and I was elated. Chopped wood in the afternoon. Listened to some latest
'filmi' songs' on the All India radio. At night, sat around a fire with comrades, singing "We shall overcome, we shall overcome". Felt all warm and fuzzy, lovely and cuddly for hours afterwards. Today's calorie intake: 3000.
June 21. Kapurkot, Salyan. Looted the local Krishi Bikas bank with glee.
Burnt bundles of papers. Terrorized the neighbourhood. Fired well-aimed
bullets at the enemy. Politely requested the people to keep their windows,
doors and mouths shut. Comrade Damaru, alas, had to earn his martyrdom.
Paid respects to his corpse by mutilating that of a slain hawal-daar. In
anger, killed two other bystanders too. Blood, blood, everywhere. Still,
with dignified serenity, drew solace from the immortal words of Chairman
BRB: "Never be afraid to kill and be killed. The masses will see that we
are right in -- oh, I don't know, maybe -- 20 years." Today's calorie
intake: just 200
June 23. Kachila, Dang. Trying to wash shirts, pants and "patuka" was sheer
hell. The stupid "dallay saboon" just doesn't rinse off the dried-up blood.
Wasted a good deal of the afternoon scrubbing and scrubbing the clothes.
How I miss my dearest Radha Piyar. slapping my undergarments against that
slab of stone in Dumre! Every speck of dirt would simply batter out.
Anyway, assumed a civilian profile all day long. Later, Comrades Bhala,
Jwala, Chuwala and I hit a few bars in downtown Ghorahi. Needless to say,
was all drunk by the time comrades started banging tables and singing "Ho,
malai Nepali maya man parcha . . ." Oh, man, we had so much fun tonight.
Why is non-Mao Badi life so enjoyable? Today's calorie intake: 600
June 30. Torikhel, Jajarkot. Robbed a local Nepali Congressi bigwig of his
ill-gotten wealth. Wailing in front of his wife and daughters, and
clutching my leg, the idiot started begging for his life. Decided not to
kill him. Felt like God in heaven. Killed his goats instead, and had a
feast. Arranged the loot to be sent to the headquarters. Today's calorie
July 7. Nepalgunj, Banke. While eating dal-roti at Amar Bhojanalaya, was
gripped by this terrible, terrible what-the-heck-am-I-doing-here feeling.
I mean, who am I kidding with this Maoist shtick? Am I making the world a
better place? Does Aama in Banepa still love me? Is Nepal Aama proud of me
in any way? I wondered and I wondered. Or, should I just, while there is
still time, give this all up, and sign up for a career in info tech in
Kathmandu? What to do, and what not to do? Chairman BRB, listen up. I need
some serious career advice here, man. Also, not thrilled about the fact
that I've lost 10 kilos in the last 35 days. Gotta keep my image. Today's
calorie intake: 800.
July 23: Sinkipur, Rukum. Stayed up late last night underlining key
passages in "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Terroists". At the
meeting today, some comrades were not too happy about having to kill police
hawal-daars and the locals everywhere they went. Too messy, they
complained. Others wanted more blood. Then again, sitting in a corner,
quietly scratching my favorite bodily parts, I thought to myself: Any
Nepali who assumes power becomes corrupt. Such has been this country's
history. Will we be any different once we achieve power? Hearing Chairman
BRB breath fire against everyone else, I'd have to write, in all honesty,
"Kunni". THE END.
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:26:19 BST
From: john david seddon <J.D.Seddon@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: An Appeal from Ex-Gurkhas
To: Gurkha Army Ex-Servicemen Organisation <email@example.com>
Dear GAESO - I am very sympathetic to your cause and would
be interested to keep in touch from now onwards. I hope to
be in Nepal in late September and would very much like to
participate in the conference. I am currently researching
remittances and the importance of these to the Nepalese
economy - Gurkha remittances, of course, have always been a
significant element in this and in the livelihoods of many
in the hills. Nepal, serving men and their families and the
ex-Gurkhas and their families are being swindled of
legitimate and much needed income.
Professor David Seddon
Dear Friend of Nepal,
Greetings from the Gurkha Army Ex-Servicemen's Organisation.
We write to
request that you assist us in spreading the word about our
international conference to be held in Kathmandu on Sept.
As you may know, GAESO has been waging a campaign for equal
British Army . It is time to correct the long history of
treatment of Gurkhas. Our campaign has had many successes,
and the British
Government is now forming a commission of investigation. At
widespread support is essential.=20
Already many distinguished human rights activists and civil
have committed to attend the conference. But it is important
to spread the
word further. Hence we request that you forward this
individuals in human rights organizations (and veteran's
whom you may know. Should you be able to attend yourself, we
Below you will find a short description of our campaign and
conference.Please visit our web site (URL below) or contact
us for further
Padam Bahadur Gurung
Gurkha Ex-Servicemen's Association
A SHOW OF SOLIDARITY
THE PLIGHT OF THE GURKHAS
18TH, 19TH and 20TH September 1999
THE AIMS OF THE CONFERENCE=20
The aims of the conference include:
To decide on a way forward to resolve pension and
To determine the current legitimacy of the agreements of
To examine the social and cultural effects of Gurkha
To bring Gurkha issues to international attention
Highlights of the Conference will include:
Rally for all veterans and their supporters
the history of the Gurkha Regiments
the social and cultural impact of Gurkha issues=20
legal issues surrounding Gurkha recruitment=20
diplomatic and political implications=20
The future of Gurkha recruitment
Pension and welfare benefits available to ex-Gurkhas
Workshops on possible diplomatic and legal action=20
Field Trips (optional day trips to Gurkha villages)
Social Events for delegates and ex-Gurkhas
WHAT IS GAESO?
The Gurkha Ex-Servicemen's Organisation (GAESO) campaigns
pensions and welfare benefits for ex-British Army Gurkha
their families. We were established in 1990 by former
Gurkhas as a
We have a network of offices throughout Nepal=20
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With your help, we can make this conference the first
to discuss Gurkha issues.
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18th, 19th, 20th SEPTEMBER 1999
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Subject: Nepalese minorities threaten revolt
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:41:32 PDT
>Nepalese minorities threaten revolt
>By Suman Pradhan
>KATHMANDU: Multiethnic and multicultural Nepal's image of communal peace
>and tranquillity is fragile, warn political analysts. The image, they say,
>hides a grave reality of the simmering disquiet among dozens of large and
>small neglected ethnic minorities who resent the absolute control exercised
>by the Hindu upper castes and are now striking out for political power.
>Nepal, the only Hindu country in the world, could be buffeted with ethnic
>violence not unlike that in its neighbouring countries, they say.
>An umbrella group of ethnic minorities, the Federation of Nepali
>Nationalities (FNN), spearheading the cause of indigenous communities,
>recently raised demands for autonomy - previously unheard of in Nepal.
>"What we are seeing now is the rising aspirations of nationalities and
>ethnic communities who want more say in the nation's affairs," observes Dr
>Krishna Bhattachan, a social scientist at Kathmandu's Tribhuvan University.
>"Aspirations that have been forcibly repressed over the decades are coming
>out into the open. If the issue is not handled sensitively, then peace and
>harmony could be in danger," he points out.
>Such warnings have been repeated since 1990, when the Himalayan kingdom
>finally broke with three decades of autocracy and established multiparty
>democracy after a violent student-led pro-democracy uprising.
>In the days before democracy, heavy-handed state policies helped check
>nationalistic feelings. Only allegiance to the state and the all-powerful
>monarchy was tolerated. That changed with the monarchy being relegated to a
>The new environment of openness and plurality gave free rein to the
>expression of all sorts of beliefs, including autonomy for ethnic
>minorities and nationalities.
>In its first ever national conference held early this month in Kathmandu,
>the Federation of Nepali Nationalities blasted the ruling elites for
>capturing all political power, and warned of escalating protests if the
>situation was not addressed soon.Indeed, most of Nepal's political parties
>are led by members of the Hindu upper castes - Brahmins and Kshatriyas. A
>study by Dr Bhattachan shows that nearly two thirds of seats in parliament
>are occupied by members of upper caste communities. They also dominate the
>Suresh Ale Magar, a federation leader, says that despite the large numbers
>of minorities who are scattered, ethnic groups have been sidelined from
>holding any real political power for too long by the upper caste groups.
>The Magars are indigenous people in the high Himalayas.
>Minority groups are also resentful of the attempt to impose Hinduism, the
>state religion, on them. Many groups claim they are non-Hindus but the
>government census of 1991 shows 86.51 per cent of Nepal's population to be
>Fuelling the anger is a recent government decision to ban the use of ethnic
>languages in local council governments, in such ethnic strongholds as
>Kathmandu and Rajbiraj, a town near the Indian border.
>Among other things, the federation is also demanding quotas for minorities
>in government institutions and jobs.
>But none of Nepal's political parties are paying attention to the simmering
>resentment felt by the country's ethnic groups. Instead for the last eight
>years they have been preoccupied with power tussles that have brought down
>Last week Nepal's Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala announced fresh
>elections on May 4 to settle another round of political instability that
>almost brought his coalition government down.
>Years of political instability have shaken the people's faith in their
>democratically elected leaders' ability to rule.
>"The government is blind to the aspirations of communities," asserts Padma
>Ratna Tuladhar, a communist lawmaker from Kathmandu and a representative of
>the Newar community who are indigenous to the Kathmandu Valley. It is their
>language that has been banned from the Kathmandu municipality.
>"Cultures and languages should be allowed to flourish. But instead, more
>repressive methods are being used," he laments.
>The Maoist uprising that has erupted in several districts in rural Nepal
>has partly to do with this alienation, experts have said. Large numbers of
>the rural poor and low castes as well as alienated ethnic communities have
>joined those who are rebelling, experts say.
>Some fear the Maoists could link up with the disgruntled ethnic minorities.
>Gore Bahadur Khapangi, a low caste leader of a minority group, recently
>denied links with the Maoists. But under further questioning, he admitted
>to being ideologically close to them.-
>Dawn/Inter Press Service.
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:09:34 +0530
From: Newman-Rai <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: himal <email@example.com>
Subject: hello everyone - ANnouncing issue #3 of Earshot
Earshot - the Kathmandu alternative, monsoon issue #3 is ready for
reading. It can be found in all bookstores in Thamel, on Kantipath
(Mandala), at the Himal bookstore in Patan dhokha, Pilgrims in Kopundole and...and....anywhere else where they're willing to have it.
It has some nice pictures in it.
From: "Gopal Siwakoti" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Anti-TADA Bill again?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:04:44 GMT
International Institute for Human Rights, Environment and Development
Special Consultative Status to ECOSOC of the United Nations
P:O: Box 2125, New Plaza, Putalisadak, Kathmandu, Nepal
From: Gopal Siwakoti 'Chintan'
Ref: Terrorist bill again?
Attention: Mahesh Maskey
I have been away for two months participating various meetings, campaigns
and actions, and will still be in Europe until August 15. I am also planning
to go to Geneva in the first two weeks of August before the one-month-long
annual session of the UN Sub-Commission on Human Rights and campaign against
human rights violations in Nepal. As you all know that human rights
situation is really bad and it is going to get worse. There are many reasons
to support this assessment.
It seems that we are now paying a price for having a majority government. I
got an e-mail from my office on July 19 (INHURED International) saying that
the so called anti-terrorist bill is being planned again in the Parliament
and that it may have more repressive and arbitrary provisions than the one
that we, all of together, were able to temporarily defeat. I do not know
whether you already know about it. I have asked for the details from the
office so that we can launch our campaign again and defeat the bill through
public pressure if it is happening.
I can be contacted at email@example.com>. I think we should prepare for
a bigger campaign than we did it before. I will supply you any details as
soon as I get it and expect the same.
This is all for now.
With best regards,
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lokesh S. Shrestha" <shrestha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Subject: clouds with no silver linings
One might look up at the seattle sky on any day and wonder why seattle has
no skies at all but just a spread of gray amorphic mass of gloomy clouds.
and wonder he might about how the myriad little creatures which crowd the
streets of downtown seattle can ever live a life shrouded by a think
blanket of depression which seems to have pleasured itself in anchoring
over the rain city for good. it might bother him too that these clouds
have no silver lining at all - a symbol of the good things that the future
holds for him. and so he wonders if seattle has robbed him off of his very
essence that empowers him to tackle the crudeness that life is fraught
with...an essence he calls hope. and one day he wakes up, as usual, but is
blinded by the brilliance of the sunlight that dances in through his
window panes and splashes onto his face with a warmth that just makes his
heart glow. where am i he wonders, for he cannot believe it. he runs out
and is amazed by what he beholds. a glorious sunny day and miles and miles
of clear blue sky. fantastic. a miracle. he can even make out the
mountains out in the distance, mountains he'd never seen before but the
names of which he's heard time and again. he stares at them. remenisces.
memories of good times back home comes floating across to him. he goes
back inside and comes out in less than a minute...and as the sun sparkles
on his ray-ban shades the city's dazzling beauty strikes him with
it's soft fluffy warmth and merges into a gentle smile on his face. he
wonders if heaven, perhaps, is just a place on earth.
From: Paramendra Bhagat <PBhagat@ChaiTime.net>
Subject: Work for Chaitime.com and make good money
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:45:39 -0400
Would you like to work for Chaitime.com, the online community for South
Asians? At its office in downtown Philadelphia or telecommuting........ the
latter would be a great way for college students to make money while
attending college. We have been growing like crazy, all our investors are
happy, and hence we pay well. Click on the link provided should you be
Subject: The LTTE - when Tripathy made mention of it in the early 1990s
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:17:35 -0400
The LTTE - when Tripathy made mention of it in the early 1990s
compiled by Paramendra Bhagat
When Tripathy got into the parliament in 1991, his apartment in Balaju was
ransacked a bunch of local youth. In frustration Tripathy remarked those
were awful signs Nepal might turn into a Sri Lanka. Of course, that was not
a stand on his part. But the allegory helps to understand the basic
The Teraiwasis in Nepal are like the Tamils in Sri Lanka. Both groups are
perceived to recent immigrants from India. Both have been marginalized in
their respective countries. After 40 years of democratic exercise, the
Tamils finally gave up.
Personally I do not approve of the LTTE's means. And a South Asian economic
union to me is a better idea than a separate Tamil Eeelam, but it serves the
purpose to study the LTTE for the TND discussions on the issues specific to
In Nepal the problem might be even more complex, infact, since the
SETAMAGURALI have their own just grievances.
Below I have put together a list of links that might be relevant for those
with greater curiosities.
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lokesh S. Shrestha" <shrestha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Subject: nepali songs
If you want to listen to some quality nepali songs which are yet to be
released go to http://www.naulo.com . and please don't hesitate to let us
know how you like the songs at firstname.lastname@example.org . Your comments are
precious to us.
Naulo Records, Inc.
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