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The Nepal Digest Sunday 9 April 95: Chaitra 26 2051 BkSm Volume 37 Issue 4
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* +++++ Food For Thought +++++ *
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From: sgautam@neoucom.EDU (Shiva P. Gautam)
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 5, 1995 (22 Chaitra 2051 BkSm)
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
Somebody raised a question about the US visa cost. I think it is fair.
Any Nepali who can afford to come to the US must be able to pay $20.00.
Not being able to pay this amount is something like 'haati chhiryo,
puchhar aDkyo' which is impossible.
Subject: kabitaa
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
jindagi - kehi kuDkaa
kuDko-1
jindagi kasai laai bhabiko lahanaa ho
jindagi kasai laai bilaas ko gahana ho
ja-jas laai je-je bhae pani
jindagi malaai baachne euTaa baahaanaa ho.
kuDko-2
jindagi kunai din moj bhai dinchha
jindagi kunai din bojh bhai dinchha
hundaa hundai kaal laai
jinagi kunai din nisto bhoj bhai dinchha.
kuDko-3 (yasko 'idea' chain hindi baaTa ho)
hiund hunchha
barsaat hunchha
jindagi yasari nai
barbaad hunchha.
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pravignya Regmi <pregmi@emerald.tufts.edu>
To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: HELP NEPAL SAVE ENVIRONMENT - II
SOMEONE LABELED OUR ALLURING HIMALAYAS AS "THE HIGHEST JUNKYARD IN THE WORLD"
_____________________________________________________________________________
Can you tolerate this title? What did you feel after reading this
nickname to our Himalayas? I have a response in a form of question, "What
happens to a woman when she is raped?" You will feel the exact sensation
of grief, humiliation and anger if you love mother nature intensely and
find her being abused.
We have a great property which was skillfully carved and beautified
hundreds of thousand years ago. This is the Great Himalayas erected in a
geological era by inthrust of Indian plate into the great Asian landmass
and decorated for ever by the unique ecology of the world. This valuable
piece sustained myriad of lives providing shelter to live, flowing
crystal clear water to drink. Furthermore, the great civilizations of
Indus, Brahmaputra and Ganges culminated on its lap.
A quick event of 40 years has messed such pristine natural part of
the world by littering. Pollution in the Himalayas has been basically
generated by expedition, trekking and camping activities of trekkers
(personal comm. Trekking agencies). Every year more than 300,000 people
around the world visit Nepal and it has been estimated that the number
will reach up to 442,214 by 1997 at the current rate of tourist invasion
(Eighth Five Year Planning, 1990, pp 440). Each year, about 900
mountaineers, mostly from Europe, Japan and the US, visit Nepal to climb
expedition peaks and about 40,000 other visitors climb the lower mountain
trekking peaks (NY Times, Dec 16, 1994).
__________________________________________________________________________
AN ANECDOTE
I was attending an environmental seminar at Harvard University,
Science Centre in January 1995. A person sitting by left to me asked
politely in a New England manner, "Where are you from?". I said, "Nepal".
He was excited to hear the name, "Oh ! WOW, Himalayas on the background !".
"Yes ! my country is beautiful" I asserted with great proud. I felt like
I am a rich majestic person in saying so. He abruptly interupped and
said, " You know, I was one of the volunteer students in your country to
collect the garbage in the Himalayas in 1991. We collected almost a ton
for disposal". I said, "great job !" trying to conceal the shame created
due to mismanagement of the Himalayan landscape. It was quite painful to
be ashamed following proud.
_________________________________________________________________________
Pollution at the Mount Everest was first publicized by Barry G.
Bishop, who after a successful climb labeled it as "the higest junkyard
in the world" (Propopsal by Nepal Mountaineering Association as a part
of Clean Himalaya Campaign, 1993, pp 1). Robert A. Hutchison has done
detailed cataloguing of trash in his book, "In the Tracks of the Yeti",
who calls it a major ecological scandal and says further that it is a
galling tale of disrespect by the climbing fraternity, of arrogant
disregard for nature by men an women who evidently believe their
personal conquest are more important than preserving the integrity of a
unique natural site (NMA, 1993)
Garbage accumulating on the Himalayas includes climbing equipment,
foods, plastics, tins, aluminum cans, glass, clothes, papers, tents and
dead bodies (Sports Illus. 1993, Vol 29, pp 12). Such trash are
scattered everywhere at different camp levels. Hutchison (1991)
estimates the garbage left by the expedition teams well over 50 tons,
with about 500kgs on average by every team.
The problem can be defined by two ways. Firstly, the trekkers as
the culprits for the garbage disposal. The Sports Illus. (1991, Nov 29)
writes,
" Much has happened to the Mount Everest in the forty years
since Sir Edmund Hillary and his Sherpa guide, Tenzing Norgey, first
scaled it, almost all of it bad. Climbing the 29,008 foot peak has
become common place--more than half of the 500 people to reach the top
have done it in the last five years-and so, sadly littering.
Environmentalists estimate that 50 tons of rubbish are scattered across
the Everest, some of it predictable (tents, oxygen bottle) some of it
unpredictable (baseball bats, frisbees), some of it downright macabre
(dozens of corpse preserved by the cold)"
Focus, (Fall 1991, pp35) writes, "virtually no matter where you
dig, you discover either a pile of buried trash or previously used
toilet". McConell et.al (1991) say, "it was frightening to discover as
much as medical waste we did. This included everything from bloody
bandages to syringes with needles still attached, to vials of unlabeled
injectible medication."
Secondly, the inadequate Neplease environmental policy can be taken
as the major reason for the current problem. There emerged a little hope
of protection of Himalayas when the Ministry of Tourism in 1992 made the
first effort to cut back expeditions, rising the fee for Everest up to US
$ 50,000 and sharply restricting the number of climbers (NY Times, Dec 16,
1994); however, the question of protecting other Himalayas and midland
Mahabharat mountains remain as it is.
Currently eight new peaks have been opened for trekking in western
Nepal (I am in search of name, I would appreciate to learn if any of you
know). The Eighth Five Year Planning (2049-2054) sharply explains to open
new peaks gradually every year and vaguely states about the sustainable
development. The government should not formulate such devastating policies
until and unless rectified measures are set and strictly implemented.
We must stop such environmental degradation and preserve our
bewitching landscape for ethical, spiritual, educational and esthetic
values. Himalayas are our heritage ! our property and it is our
responsibility to protect from such anthropogenic disasters. We should
thank the people who warned us saying "highest junkyard in the world".
Let us ignite an environmental revolution in Nepal. Revolution for
protection, integration, peace and harmony !!!
Jai Hos Nepalko !! Jai Hos Vishwoko !!
______________________
Any comments, critiques: pregmi@emerald.tufts.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:03:31 -0400
From: rshresth@black.clarku.edu (RaJesh B. Shrestha)
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Need Nepal Tax/Tariff Info Please
Cross-posted from SCN:
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In article <95088.131510CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>,
carl skutsch <CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I wonder if someone could help me out here. I'm teaching a history class
>and someone in my class came up with a statement which I found questionable
>but had no information to prove one way or another. They claimed that
>the Nepalese pay no taxes, either income, import/export, or property, and
>that the King personally pays for everything. While I find this hard to
>believe, I do wonder if Nepal may have a unique tax structure which confused
>my student a bit. I wonder if anyone has any information on this matter.
>Encyclopedias give me loads of data on anual rainfall and I can easily find
>out about Nepalese history, but taxes...
>
>If you could email me with information, I and my students would be very
>appreciative.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>Carl Skutsch
>cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
That's ridiculous. Nepalese do pay taxes. There are income tax, import
tariffs, export duties, and also property taxes. Rather the King is
absolved of the duty to pay income tax. While it is true that there are
many loopholes to avoid taxes and there are corruptions in the tax
adiministration, while it may also be true that the tax structures are
not appropriately progressive and/or are the sources of many distortions
in the economy, the tax system in Nepal cannot be called unique to the
extent that it can cause confusion to any person like your student. Hope
this comment is helpful.
Vijay
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:41:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: ROTTA <rd038@aix1.ucok.edu>
To: nepal_news_bulletin <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: apology to amulya
sorry amulya... I didn't mean to pin point you directly. My opinions
were solely aimed at that particular person who had written such
degrading remarks about BNKS alums. I didn't realize you were just
conveying someone's thought.
kunga..
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 22:27:01 -0400
From: "Sher Karki" <karki_s@a1.mscf.upenn.edu>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: BKS again
Dear Rajpaljee,
I would first like to thank you and the rest of the contributors to TND for
information and lively discussions. Although I have not been able to
actively participate in debates in both TND and SCN I do follow them with
interest. I personally think the debate on BKS has reduced to ugly personal
attacks and some of them could not have been farther from reality.
Sweeping generalizations like "all BKS alumns are the product of cheating"
are not just offensive but illustrates how people would say anything or try
to find anything to make BKS look like a big failure. If all the so called
foreign aid or projects in Nepal are carefully evaluated for achievement of
intended goals then BKS is perhaps one of the finest examples. If someone
argues that the goal as far as BKS's establishemnt is concerned, is
arguable then that is a different matter.
This argument that the Nepalese government spends so much money on one
school, and therefore draining resources away from much needed sectors or
other high schools, certainly raises eybrows. But the fact is this. Of all
the students that are admitted to BKS, 30% hold scholarships. This is the
population of students that the Nepali government pays for their tuition,
room and board. Right now the school has about 700 students and 30% of that
is 210. All inclusive fees and tuition comes to about Rs 3000 (BTW this is
less than what it would cost to send to say for example Galaxy,
notwithstanding ~Rs 20000 deposit!), and this easily adds upto more than 75
lacks per year. In other words, BKS will run fine without Nepali Gvt.
giving any financial assistance provided it does not ask BKS to provide
education to those needy students that it itself selects from all 75
districts. BKS can simply get full payers instead of those under Gvt.
scholarships...to BKS it does not make any difference except that some of
the genuinely needy students will never have the opportunity to get first
class education that they deserve.
Ghooskhori, Natabaad, Kripabaad? Just because there are isolated incidents
of " Afno Manchhe ghusaune",or some undeserving student getting admission
to BKS how fair is it to judge
the whole school and all its students and alumni as "cheats"? Does that
person who made that statement think I am a cheat just because I went to
BKS? Am I to feel guilty just for going to BKS? I am where I am now because
I worked hard and BKS provided me an ideal environment for that.
As far as sending graduates to abroad who don't return, this assumption is
based on something else than a hard fact. If anything, BKS has the highest
rate of return compared to other schools in KTM, whose graduates go abroad.
Everyone in my batch who went to England (At least 9) all of them are back
in Nepal after they finished their bachelors or Masters. If you go batch
by batch, more than 90% have returned to Nepal, not including the most
recent ones who are yet to complete their intended education.
Yes, I do agree that initially both the British and the Nepali Governments
provided assistance to set up the school, but BKS has ever since been a
financially independent institution. Its only that it used to educate those
scholars that the Nepali government promised to pay for meanwhile the
British government used to pay for the handful of British faculty present
in the school.
Now the Brits have left, BKS is left on its own. No help from either of the
governments! The new government (both the Congressis and the Communists)
have quickly discovered that Nepali government does NOT subsidize expences
at BKS. Instead they have found that the government is paying for the poor
that they themselves desparately want to help......and as far as I have
seen abolishing the scholarship scheme is a decision that neither party has
taken so far. But I am not sure whether all those that speak of BKS being
an unnecessary burden on the taxpayers of Nepal would be satisfied if the
scholarship scheme is totally dropped.
Just a few thoughts.
Namaste
Sher Karki
University of Pennsylvania
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:26:32 BST
From: Anil M Sakya <Anil.Sakya@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:Holy book of Buddhism
To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>
Here is the answer to the question 'What is the name of Holy book of
Buddhism?' raised by one of our netters in the TND issue of 6 Apr.
The most original text or holy book of Buddhism is called
as 'Tripitaka' in Sanskrit or 'Tipitaka' in Pali. This is
sometimes also called the Pali Canon in popular English.
It consists of all 84000 Dharma teachings of the Buddha.
However, this is mainly believed as their holy book by
Theravada school or southern school. For northern school
or in Tibet, there are another set of holy book named as
'Kong-jure and Tan-jure' if my pronounciation is right.
If anyone needs more information about Buddhism, I am please to
answer them as I have been studying Buddhism quite a bit.
I hope this information gives you the answer.
From: Anil Sakya or Bhikkhu Sugandha
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ashutosh Tiwari <tiwari@husc.harvard.edu>
Subject: From The Far Side Gallery
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
As someone who had actively participated in the "great BKS debate"
on TND, I was shocked at someone's message (FORWARDED by Amulya Tuladhar)
that all BKS students are products of cheating, and that they are
"looting" the national treasury.
This just shows how the thesis of the original debate (which was
about the COST, and the COST of running BKS only) could be now DISTORTED to
beat one's own drum, anonymously, against BKS. And this is sad.
My original arguments were not directed at BKS school or individual
BKS students per se, but at the Educational Planning of the
Nepal government that chooses to fund one school so disproportionately (
a fact, readily accepted by most BKS grads). In fact, I had argued that the
BKS cannot be talked about in isolation, but only in the TWIN contexts of
foreign aid management and gross neglect of OTHER secondary schools
across the nation.
Some BKS grads accept my arguments; some don't. And that's fine in
this marketplace of ideas. But I would not want this issue of costs providing
some sort of a ready-made noose, as it were, for some knee-jerk opponents
of BKS to hang BKS students just like that.
The charge of "looting national property" is a serious one. And this
requires substantiation on the part of Mr. Anonymous. After all, as any
student of logic knows, amusing anecdotes, no matter how believable, are
not really substitutes for clear resoning, evidence or proof.
And, in the absence of clear reasoning, or proofs or evidence, we
are left with some sort of a "class-action" mud-slinging -- something we
should leave to the American politics (in the hands of Newt and the gang),
while chasing it out of TND.
namaste
ashu
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:01:50 +0900
From: Roshan Thapliya <roshan@ktl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Anyone in optical electronics?
My study, as a Master's student here at the University of Tokyo,
is on optical-electronic hybrid system for
character recognition. I wonder if you know any other Nepalese
involved in a similar type of descipline. I would be grateful,
if you could give my email address to them.
I hope to hear from you all soon.
My address: Roshan Thapliya
2-5-12 Senju, roshan@ktl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Adachi-Ku, tel.
Tokyo. +81-03-3870-5536
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:27:44 +0100 (BST)
From: GIRI J N <J.N.Giri@city.ac.uk>
To: The Nepal Digest <Nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: LAND USE STUDY IN CENTRAL NEPAL AND THE RIVER BAGMATI CATCHMENT
I am developing a rainfall/runoff model of the river Bagmati catchment
(RBC) using the US soil conservation service (curve number) method as
part of my thesis on 'mathematical modelling of flood wave proporgation
of middle himalayan rivers.
I am very keen to network with researchers , scientists and professional
who are or have been involved in land use study in central nepal. RBC
consists of districts in Makwanpur, lalitpur , Kavre and Sindhuli.
I am mainly interested in any soil study, land use/treatment study,
topography study and land/vegetation cover study in these areas outlined
above. These valuable info is required to assess the storage/infiltration
potential of the sub-catchment to deduce the runoff potential.
It would be ideal if some agencies / institution or researcher have
developed a soil/land/topo GIS spatial model of RBC, but for a country
like Nepal , this is I think is asking for bit too much i.e asking for the
sun & the moon. So hello to anyone @ MENRIS prog of infamous ICIMOD or
anyone @ AIT, can you help ?????!!
I would be very grateful if someone could shed light and part with
suggestion and references. My background in 'land resource management and
GIS' etc etc is a bare minimum, so any input is worth 10000 input from me.
I am at the momemt using Vic galay 's gen book of sedi & ero, 1980 SMEC rep
and lot of input from Scott Wilson (Arun access road consultancy) engineers.
Hoping to hear from anyone out there.
JOTI GIRI
Dept of Civil Engineering
City Uni
London EC1
fax no 00 44 171 834- 0690
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From: ponta@sas.upenn.edu (Pratyoush R. Onta)
Subject: New Books on Bhutan
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu (tnd)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
Michael Hutt writes from London:
We have just published the papers from the conference on Bhutan that was
held here in March 1993. I'd like to place an announcement of this
publication.
The books are as follows:
1). Michael Hutt (ed.) Bhutan: perspectives on conflict and dissent
(contributions by Michael Hutt, Michael Aris, Jigmi Y. Thinley, Kinley
Dorji, Christopher Strawn, Rachael Reilly, Leo E. Rose, Brian C. Shaw,
A. C. Sinha, Kanak Mani Dixit, Nicholas Nugent)
2). Michael Aris and Michael Hutt (eds.) Bhutan: aspects of culture and
development. (Contributions by Michael Aris, Karma Ura, Thierry Mathou,
George van Driem, Marc Dujardin, Sonam Chhoki, Michael Kowalewski,
Francoise Pommaret, Diana K. Myers-Sidman.)
Both books are available from Lavis Marketing, 73 Lime Walk, Headington,
Oxford OX3 7AD, UK. Fax 01865 750079. Price of each volume is #17.50
pound sterling.
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:46:47 -0400
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Election results!!!!
From: spr95061@cse.unl.edu (Pradip K. Baniya)
Here is the result of the recently held student union election in some campuses
of Nepal.
Bimarsha,
All Nepal National Free Student's union (ANNFUS) won at:
Mechi Campus, Mahendra Bahumukhi (Dharan), Dhankuta, Butwal, Biratnagar,
Surkhet, Bhanubhakta (Tanhun), Gorkha, RR, Law, Nepal Commerce, Patan, Engg (pulchowk), Sanothimi, Tahachal, Ascol, Saraswati, etc.
Nepal Student's Union (NSU):
Maharajgunj, Balmiki, Bishwabhasa, Bhaktapur, TC, PK, Shankardev, Public Youth,
Mahendra Campus (dang), Nepalgunj, Baglung, Birendra (Bahratpur), engg (eastern), engg(western),Tandi(Chitwan), Balkumari(Chitwan),
Mixed result:
Central Campus (TU):
President, Secretary, 7 members NSU, rest ANNFSU.
MM Campus(Biratnagr)Rara Multiple Campus, etc.
Pradip, UNL,Lincoln
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:39:52 +0500
From: nshresth@capital.edu (Nischal Shrestha)
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Hi
Hi,
Did anyone understand the problems that was on last T.N.D.? Its
confusing. The answers are as follows:-
1) 26 L. of the A.
Answer: 26 letters of the alphabet.
2) 7 = W. of A.W.
Answer: 7 wonders of Ancient World.
3) 1001= A.N.
Answer: 1001 Arabian nights.
Bye.
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:02:57 -0400
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Silence -- A Poem
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (jit)
Ms. Anasuya Sengupta, 20, a first year student at Lady SriRam
College of Delhi wrote the following poem for Ms. Hillary
Rodham Clinton at the request of the dean of her college. Ms.
Clinton said she felt overwhelmed upon reading the poem (NYT,
30 March), and she went on to rewrite her only speech in India
to make the poem by Ms. Anasuya Sengupta, its centerpiece.
According to Ms. Clinton, "It expresses the feelings that all
of us share that women's voices should be heard." IMHO, this
is true in South Asia more than anywhere else, if the countries
in that region are to overcome the burdens of povery, illiteracy,
over-population and poor health-care.
This poem was obtained from a news article by Reuter.
Silence
by
Anasuya Sengupta
"Too many women in too many countries speak the same language
of silence. My grandmother was always silent- always aggrieved-
only her husband had the cosmic right (or so it was said) to
speak and be heard.
"They say it is different now (After all, I am always vocal
and my grandmother thinks I talk too much). But sometimes, I wonder.
"When a woman gives her love, as most do generously-
it is accepted.
"When a woman shares her thoughts, as some women do, graciously-
it is allowed.
"When a woman fights for power, as all women would like to,
quietly or loudly, it is questioned.
"And yet, there must be freedom- if we are to speak. And yes,
there must be power- if we are to be heard. And when we have both
(freedom and power) let us not be misunderstood.
"We seek only to give words to those who cannot speak (too many
women in too many countries). I seek only to forget the sorrows of
my grandmother's silence."
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 14:08:11 EST
From: PSHRESTH@MIAMIU.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Mr. Loose-mouth
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
This is a response to one of Mr A. Tuladhar's wild allegations.
In a recent issue of TND, he labeled all BKS grads as "products of
cheating", based on some stories he'd heard. Given the stories are
true, it is a gross generalization on the part of Mr. Tuladhar, to say
the least. It would be like saying that all Nepalis are stupid and have
no idea what thet're talking about just because one Nepali, Mr.A.Tuladhar,
makes such a blatant,crude remark.
So would it be improper to suggest that you use your head before you
spill your guts all over the place?
Prabin Shrestha
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From: sanjiv@cco.caltech.edu (Sanjiv Shrestha)
Subject: Amulya Tuladhar's remark about Budhanilkantha
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
To the Editor,
This is in response to Amulya Tuladhar's remark about BKS alums. Let me
quote what he actually said, " Basically all BKS alums are products of
cheating." I don't really understand how anyone can make such a harsh general
accusation based on some things he/she has heard or found about. Let me give
you an simple example. Let's say somebody came up to you and said,"I saw a
black cow today". What that person said could be true but that doesn't entail
that all cows are black. It would be foolish on the part of that person to
assume that all cows are black based on one black cow he saw on the street.
Oh, yeah, there is freedom of speech, all right, but it should be used judi-
ciously. One cannot just jump to conclusions based on imcomplete premises.
Before anybody can make such vile accusations over a mass information medium
like Internet, I think he/she should think twice about it. I hope Mr. Amulya
Tuladhar got my point.
-Sanjiv Man Shrestha
Caltech
Pasadena,California
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nirmal Ghimirez <NGH42799Q236@DAFFY.MILLERSV.EDU>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Sanskriti of sanskrit good or bad?
Hi!
Language now seems to be a problem after all. It is sad that we are having a
debate whether Sankrit language should be given a chance or not.Recently few
people tried to burn the radio station because it read the news in Sanskrit.
P.M.Tuladhar is against the promotion of this language so he resigned(from the
news form Nepal Home Page). I do not see what harm there is in promoting a
language. Sanskrit is a language from which our language is derived to some
extent. I think it is a good idea to take this initiative. It may not look
fruitful imediately but it has great use. It takes time for things to
grow.Sanskrit was always there and it is good that when it was declining the
government is trying to give it a push.I am not in the field of language, so
I do not know much about it. But the books translated in English or Nepali from
Sanskrit are epics(Gita, Ramayan etc.) and they are good in literature and go
beyond religion to real life. I wonder how fortunate I would be if I had known
Sanskrit and would have been able to read theser books in its original form.
Maybe it would have given a greater meaning. Everything is not meausred in
profit and loss or expense and income, I believe language is one of them.
it is good that Sanskrit is coming back again. Whenever someone tries to do
something new there is an oppsition or a chllenge. I hope Sanskrit will be
continued despite factors as such. I would like to know why P.M.Tuladhar is
against this.Did he fail in Sanskrit exams when he was in school.
I did once. I would like to know the views of my friennd.Language is not a
barrier but a tool of communication.Thanks.Nirmal
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:55 EST
From: ATULADHAR@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 6, 1995 (23 Chaitra 2051 BkSm)
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
BKS CHEATS/
============
This is in response to a variety of objections raised by defendents and
apologists of bks about an ANONYMOUS POSTING i forwarded.
it is truly fantanstic that these readers were attributing the POSTING to me!
i wonder if the bks defendents are asking me to partake in censorship and
suppression of this viewpoint and incidents just because some readers don't
want any posting questioning bks.
i believe the bks is a complex issue not reducible to simple dimensions argued
by bks alumni or ashu or the anonymous readers, a debate serves to highlight
all the dimensions and hopefully arrive at a more nuanced understanding of
decision making in nepal.
last of all i would like to thank readers for interest in this posting.
amulya
clark university
guns, begging for food, and nepal's independence...
==================================================
This is response to some readers who objected that i did not pay enough lip
service , OR Is it finger tap service on the keyboard, to the hallowed concept
of nepal;s independence while discussing the proposed plan for arms purchase
and beg for rice from japan all in one week.
one reader suggested, interestingly that nepal had the right to arm as much as
she can because she was an 'independent' country. Rhetoric aside, i ask this
reader, just how much/
do you want our country to acquire nuclear bombs, biological anc chemical
warfare capacities, a navey, a air force all in parity of india and china our
most potential enemy at least historically our enemies. if we draw no line,
why have any development at all, spend all the money on defence and maybe even
some on offense; stupid prithvi narayan shah and his defendents conquered and expanded along the
hills of west and east and did not even have the modern vision of Saddam to at
least make a dash for *calcutta and seaport when we had a fighting chance,
should nepal army strategize about righting this historic oversight and
enhance the cause of our 'independent ' nation/
if national interest of this independent nation is high, why not rent our
Royal Army to fight indian wars, who knows, the indians might give us that
sliver of land for direct access to bangladesh. The british india did, as
Rishi kesh Shah likes to point out fondly, that jung bahadur rana's decision
to volunteer the nepal army to put down the sepoy mutiny inlucknow won nepal
the big chunk of west nepal terai, the naya muluk, or nepal gunj west, the
very tract of land that was the cause of the beginning of the 1816 war with
the british as the bharadars of p n shah's courts claimed all the land
holdings of the palpa king in the terai, nepal gunj and part of oudh or uttar
pradesh for their personal income and so when british surveyors disputed that
nepalese landed elite transformed theri personal loss a threat to national
integrity and decided to fight and lost a bigger chunk of land instead...
i just ask, can nepal, should nepal draw a line or should we have more guns
than food....
Amulya Tuladhar
Clark university
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To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
From: "camille@picea.CNR.ColoState.EDU" "Camille Richard"
Amulya - this should be posted on TND! I would say that TND is in a
"mature" stage, no?
THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS
Every list seems to go through the same cycle:
1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush
alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).
2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to
the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).
3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy
threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).
4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others;
lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other
experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships
develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with
generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike---
feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and
sharing opinions).
5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every
reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise
ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't
limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees
with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more
bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads
than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets
annoyed).
6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone
who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious
post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing
level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen
by private e-mail and are limited to a few participants; the
purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating
each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).
OR
6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the
participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly
every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third
'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).
Linda Henneman, RN, BSN
_The Nurses Catalog Directory_
_The Frugal Tribune_ Newsletter
E-mail: frugal@best.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:18 EST
From: ATULADHAR@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RESEARCH ON NEPAL HIMALAYS
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
tO FIND out about nsf grants and programs, you can begin at:
http://x.nsf.gov:80/nsf/homepage/grants.htm
To begin to find the abstracts of recently research funded awards, begin at:
http://x.nsf.gov:80/nsf/awards.htm
and then you can start typing in keywords related to your search. For
example, to find out all the recently funded awards related to "Himalaya",
the location is:
gopher://stis.nsf.gov/7waissrc:/.waissrc/nsf-awards.src?Himalaya
For "Pakistan" etc.
gopher://stis.nsf.gov/7waissrc:/.waissrc/nsf-awards.src?Pakistan
A list of the currently funded USA NSF "Himalaya" projects are
given below. You can then either directly read the abstract for this
project and/or download the abstract to your own computer:
Detrital Record of the Eastern Himalaya, Assam and Bengal Basin
Thermotectonic Evolution and Exhumation of a Modern Collisional Orogen
(Everest Region of Nepal Himalaya)
Late Cenozoic Rates of Erosion and Sediment Deposition in the
Himalaya and Adjacent Basins
Extensional Tectonics in the Manaslu-Dhaulagiri Region, Central
Nepalese Himalaya
Flood Hazards Associated with Glacier-Lakes in the Eastern Himalaya
Mountains
Glaciochemical Investigations in the Nepalese Himalayas
1993 Nepalese Himalayas Dendroclimatic Expedition
RUI: Collaborative Research on Regional Assessments of
Environmental Change in Mountainous Areas
Thermal Evolution of the Central Himalayan Orogen in Nepal
Critical Zones in Global Environmental Change
Critical Zones in Global Environmental Change, Phase II
[THE CRITICAL ZONES RESEARCH WAS DONE AT CLARK, CONTACT
ATULADHAR@VAX.CLARKU.EDU FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.]
Crustal Structure of Collisional Orogens: The Ural Mountains, Russia
#05 Pattern and Conditions for Forest Increase over the Himalayas
From: Amulya Ratna Tuladhar (ATULADHAR@vax.clarku.edu)
Here is my interest area. I would welcome interested contacts and
leads to
possible funding sources. Thanks.
The Pattern and Conditions for Forest Increase over the
Himalayas
Amulya Ratna Tuladhar
Clark University
The George Perkins Marsh Institute
Center for Technology, Environment, and Development
950 Main Street
Worcester, MA 01610-1477
E-Mail: ATULADHAR@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
PROPOSAL ABSTRACT
Forest change in the Himalayas, like much of the global land use/ land
cover changes in the developing countries of the Tropics, is a debatable
phenomenon from both the empirical and explanatory perspectives. The
purpose of this proposed research is to test two hypotheses: 1) that forest
increase in the Himalayas is a regional process rather than a localised
phenomenon; and 2) that this regional process represents the degree of
integration of the subsistence agricultural economy with the global market
economy. To test these hypotheses, five spatial datasets will be generated
in the
IDRISI geographic information system. These datasets are: 1) District-wide
sample of Global Positioning System (GPS) referenced areas of forest increase
in Sindhupalchowk, a subsistence agricultural economy, and Dhanusha, a
globally-integrated market economy; 2) Landsat Thematic Mapper generated
map of forest increase areas for the same two districts; 3) Country-wide
[Nepal] sample of GPS-referenced forest increase areas; 4) Advanced Very
High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) map of forest increase areas for the
country, generated by Principal Components Analysis; and 5) Country-wide
indicators of land use integration into global market economy. The hypotheses
will be tested by comparing satellite imagery of hypothesized forest increase
patterns against ground controls as follows: for hypothesis (1), database (4)
against database (3 and 2); for hypothesis (2), database (2) against (1) and,
further, database (5) against (4). The significance of this research is to map
out conditions under which forest increase can be sustained as a global process
of environmental change in marginal agricultural economies that are being
integrated into the global market economy.
Prof. Dr. J.-P. Burg and Dr. David A. Spencer
Institute of Geology
Department of Earth Sciences
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
CH-8092
Zurich
Switzerland
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:19:38 -0700
From: sca949549@rccvax.ait.ac.th
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Request
Dear Editor
I am a regular reader of your TND. As one of the e-mail account, I was
using, is no more working, I would like to request you to include me in your
mailing list.
On the auspicious occasion of New Year-2052 B.S., I wish every success
to the members of TND editorial board. I hope this new year will bring all
the thoughtful and constructive ideas (concerning Nepal and Nepali), spread all
over the world, to the large number of Nepali. The exchange of such ideas would
certainly broaden our mind, which ultimately leads a situation where majority
of people have common ideas (replacing conflicting one). Why not we all give
some time to this TND. No doubt, TND is a great achievement which can be
changed with the passage of time and reader's interest.
In my opinion, TND can be published in a regular interval (may be every
alternate days or thrice a week) with a weekly "BHET_GHAT" which can include
"Katha_Kabita, Entertainment, Jan_Kari or Khoj_Khabar, Classified,
Titar_Bitar". The number of pages in the Regular-TND should be limited to a
fixed maximum. Some may argue about the lack of fun items in the Regular-TND.
It is possible that such fun items can still find some space in Regular-TND.
The more appropriate will be to include "Quotations by renowned figures
(in the field of science and Technology, Politics, Religion and Spiritual
thoughts)" after every articles. The reader can send their best quotations
through weekly "Bhet_Ghat".
This is just my suggestion which may not be practically possible. I
really appreciate you all for your constructive effort. Hope to see your
response.
Thank you.
P.R.SINGH
WRE/AIT.
way I want to see your comment on this
will be more appropriate if
interesting Classified, and a very general
issues.
eople all over the world.
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Date: 08 Apr 95 01:51:23 EDT
From: BONNIE HOLLAND <75013.1227@compuserve.com>
To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Annapurna Circuit
Dear Folks at TND,
I tried to send a letter to Rajesh B. Shrestha at the address
"INTERNET:rshresth@black.clarku.edu" and it did not go through. I see that he
is the SCN Liason for TND, so please forward this letter to him. THanks.
Namaste,
I'm sure you have had many responses so far to you note about the Annapurna's so
you can disregard this if you have too many replies. I have done the Annapurna
circuit, as well as the Annapurna Sanctuary. In addition, I have trekked up to
Manaslu and around to Pokhara, to Helambu, Everest Base Camp (several times),
small loops near Pokhara, etc., etc.
The best time to trek is Oct/Nov, and Feb/Mar/April, especially for the higher
country. It is OK to trek in lower areas (Helambu, near Pokhara, etc.) in
colder times, like Dec and Jan. May is also OK up in Solo Khumbu, but flights
out are tricky when the monsoons come in. June, July, Aug, and early Sept. are
pretty wet, full of jugas, hot and humid. Not a whole lot of fun for trekking.
My favorite is Oct/Nov, but I have trekked year-round, it just depends what you
want to put up with, weather-wise, comfort-wise.
Equipment needs: small towel, toothbrush, a little money, a change of
underclothes, warm sweater, and light-weight hiking boots. That is all you
need!!! I have stayed in Nepali tea houses and did not even need a sleeping
bag, since they had comforters. You can always take more (books, paper and pen,
change of clothes, warm clothes, camera and film, flashlight, etc.) Get a good
trekking guide and map, both of which are readily available in Kathmandu (i.e.,
Bezruchka, Stephen, "A Guide to Trekking in Nepal", Seattle, WA: The
Mountaineers, 1981, general background information, very brief and sketchy at
times, has been updated since 1981; Nakano, Toru, "Trekking in Nepal", New
Delhi, India: Allied Publishers Private Limited, 1985, also has been updated,
great for trekking, good photos). What I have found is the lighter you travel,
the more enjoyable it is. And I love looking at maps, so I kind of make up
routes, depending on my desires and how much time I had available (I lived in
Nepal 3 years). Flying to Tumlingtar and going up the Arun valley and towards
Makalu is something I had planned to do, but couldn't when I came down with
Paratyphoid. Maybe next time... I love Middle Hills treks, because there is
more interaction with the people of Nepal, and this is where most of the
population lives (and I can use my language skills), but I also love the high
country, especially if I have time to acclimatize. It is beautifully scenic and
not so crowded.
If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Raamro sanga jaanos na!
Bonnie Holland
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 00:08:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: RKP6723@UTARLG.UTA.EDU
Subject: Happy Buddha Jayanti
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Dear netters,
H A P P Y B U D D H A J A Y A N T I !!!
Prince Siddhartha Gautama was born on eighth day of April approximately
twenty-five hundred years ago in Lumbini, Nepal. He gave up his royal luxury
to seek a cure for human suffering. After years of ascetic and meditation
practice he found the cure for human suffering, now it is called MAGGA
(The Path to end of Suffering). Then he spend all his life teaching the cure.
Prince Siddhartha is known today as Lord Buddha (Enlightened one).
To honor Buddha I would like to present his Four Noble Truths:
1. Suffering exists among human being (DUKKHA)
2. There is a cause of suffering (SAMUDAYA)
3. End of suffering (NIRODHA)
4. The Path to end of suffering (MAGGA)
DUKKHA
-------
Birth, old age, sickness, death, associate with unpleasant person or situation,
separation from loved ones and pleasant conditions, not getting what one desiresgrief, distress, and forms of mental and physical suffering.
SAMUDAYA
--------
The principle cause of suffering is the attatchment to desire or craving.
NIRODHA
-------
The end of suffering is non-attatchment, or letting go of desire or craving.
MAGGA
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The Path to end of suffering is to follow the Noble Eightfold Path.
Noble Eightfold Path:
1. Right Understanding (SAMMA DITHI)
2. Right thoughts (SAMMA SANKAPPA)
3. Right Speech (SAMMA VACA)
4. Right Action (SAMMA KAMANTA)
5. Right Livelihood (SAMMA AJIVA)
6. Right Effort (SAMMA VAYAMA)
7. Right Mindfulness (SAMMA SATI)
8. Right Concentration (SAMMA SAMADHI)
All the (UPPERCASE WORDS) are Pali language.
O M S A N T H I !
Swayum Bhu (Robin Panday)
Arlington, TX
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 16:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: ST941806@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 6, 1995 (23 Chaitra 2051 BkSm)
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
HI!
i have been reading BKS discussion...
it seeems to me that argumets are getting rather heated, and are not
serving much purpose on whole....
it was a good issue to be raised but we have been hearing similar
argumets from both sides...there doesn't seem to be mcuh
disaggreemnet regarding the ineffeciency of allocation. Seems to me that
all agree that there is need for a chnge...
but rather than plain, objective and precise suggestions to the problem,
people are still using their time and energy into bashing
a particular person [ like Amulaya] or a population [like BKS students].
May i say quite honestly that i have had enough of this...can we
have some constructive discussions instead of thrwoing stones at
eachother...esp. between the ST.X and BKS.
I am a kid , honestly, new to the US ....so you mgiht want to
dismiss me saying
"Hijoko phul , ajako challa...kura garcha dalla dalla"
if you feel i am bullshitting, hey...please write to me and bash me up
...but don't take time of all TND readers time, so write to my
account.
If you ask me, BKS has great alumni...so have so many other schools
but as far as efficiency of budget allocation comes, it should be treated as
"problem with decision making" rahter that any/some individual's
shortcoming.
so long!
Umanga [ and no, i am not going to tell you from whcih school i graduated!]
(Message inbox:205)
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 23:35:49 MDT
To: rshresth@black.clerku.edu
cc: a10rjs1@cs.niu.edu
From: jiwan sarita gurung <sarita@unm.edu>
Subject: Nepal e.mail address?
Return-Path: <sarita@hydra.unm.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Length: 434
Dear Rajeshji, Namaskar! (:
I am looking for an e-mail address for S.O.S Children's Village Nepal.
If there is one, and if you happen to know it, I would be very much
thankful to you if you could kindly mail it to my e-mail address.
S.O.S Children's Villages in Nepal:
1.Sanothimi, Kathmandu, 2.Rambazar, Pokhara, Chhorepatan, Pkhara
3.Surkhet
Hope to see you soon. Thanks. Sincerely, Mrs. Jiwan Sarita Gurung
sarita@unm.edu
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