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The Nepal Digest Sunday 9 April 95: Chaitra 26 2051 BkSm Volume 37 Issue 4

 * TND Board of Staff *
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 * Editor/Co-ordinator: Rajpal J. Singh *
 * SCN Liaison: Rajesh B. Shrestha *
 * Consultant Editor: Padam P. Sharma *
 * TND Archives: Sohan Panta *
 * Book Reviews Columns: Pratyoush R. Onta *
 * News Correspondent Rajendra P Shrestha *
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 * +++++ Food For Thought +++++ *
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 * "If you don't stand up for something, you will fall for anything" -Dr. MLK *
 * "Democracy perishes among the silent crowd" - Sirdar Khalifa *
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********************************************************************** From: sgautam@neoucom.EDU (Shiva P. Gautam) Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 5, 1995 (22 Chaitra 2051 BkSm) To: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:02:33 -0400 (EDT)

Somebody raised a question about the US visa cost. I think it is fair. Any Nepali who can afford to come to the US must be able to pay $20.00. Not being able to pay this amount is something like 'haati chhiryo, puchhar aDkyo' which is impossible.

Subject: kabitaa To:
                              jindagi - kehi kuDkaa
                        jindagi kasai laai bhabiko lahanaa ho
                        jindagi kasai laai bilaas ko gahana ho
                        ja-jas laai je-je bhae pani
                        jindagi malaai baachne euTaa baahaanaa ho. kuDko-2
                        jindagi kunai din moj bhai dinchha
                        jindagi kunai din bojh bhai dinchha
                        hundaa hundai kaal laai
                        jinagi kunai din nisto bhoj bhai dinchha.

kuDko-3 (yasko 'idea' chain hindi baaTa ho)

                        hiund hunchha
                        barsaat hunchha
                        jindagi yasari nai
                        barbaad hunchha.

******************************************************** Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Pravignya Regmi <> To: Subject: HELP NEPAL SAVE ENVIRONMENT - II

     Can you tolerate this title? What did you feel after reading this nickname to our Himalayas? I have a response in a form of question, "What happens to a woman when she is raped?" You will feel the exact sensation of grief, humiliation and anger if you love mother nature intensely and find her being abused.
     We have a great property which was skillfully carved and beautified hundreds of thousand years ago. This is the Great Himalayas erected in a geological era by inthrust of Indian plate into the great Asian landmass and decorated for ever by the unique ecology of the world. This valuable piece sustained myriad of lives providing shelter to live, flowing crystal clear water to drink. Furthermore, the great civilizations of Indus, Brahmaputra and Ganges culminated on its lap.
     A quick event of 40 years has messed such pristine natural part of the world by littering. Pollution in the Himalayas has been basically generated by expedition, trekking and camping activities of trekkers
(personal comm. Trekking agencies). Every year more than 300,000 people around the world visit Nepal and it has been estimated that the number will reach up to 442,214 by 1997 at the current rate of tourist invasion
(Eighth Five Year Planning, 1990, pp 440). Each year, about 900 mountaineers, mostly from Europe, Japan and the US, visit Nepal to climb expedition peaks and about 40,000 other visitors climb the lower mountain trekking peaks (NY Times, Dec 16, 1994).
                           AN ANECDOTE
     I was attending an environmental seminar at Harvard University, Science Centre in January 1995. A person sitting by left to me asked politely in a New England manner, "Where are you from?". I said, "Nepal". He was excited to hear the name, "Oh ! WOW, Himalayas on the background !".
"Yes ! my country is beautiful" I asserted with great proud. I felt like I am a rich majestic person in saying so. He abruptly interupped and said, " You know, I was one of the volunteer students in your country to collect the garbage in the Himalayas in 1991. We collected almost a ton for disposal". I said, "great job !" trying to conceal the shame created due to mismanagement of the Himalayan landscape. It was quite painful to be ashamed following proud.
     Pollution at the Mount Everest was first publicized by Barry G. Bishop, who after a successful climb labeled it as "the higest junkyard in the world" (Propopsal by Nepal Mountaineering Association as a part of Clean Himalaya Campaign, 1993, pp 1). Robert A. Hutchison has done detailed cataloguing of trash in his book, "In the Tracks of the Yeti", who calls it a major ecological scandal and says further that it is a galling tale of disrespect by the climbing fraternity, of arrogant disregard for nature by men an women who evidently believe their personal conquest are more important than preserving the integrity of a unique natural site (NMA, 1993)
     Garbage accumulating on the Himalayas includes climbing equipment, foods, plastics, tins, aluminum cans, glass, clothes, papers, tents and dead bodies (Sports Illus. 1993, Vol 29, pp 12). Such trash are scattered everywhere at different camp levels. Hutchison (1991) estimates the garbage left by the expedition teams well over 50 tons, with about 500kgs on average by every team.
     The problem can be defined by two ways. Firstly, the trekkers as the culprits for the garbage disposal. The Sports Illus. (1991, Nov 29) writes,
       " Much has happened to the Mount Everest in the forty years since Sir Edmund Hillary and his Sherpa guide, Tenzing Norgey, first scaled it, almost all of it bad. Climbing the 29,008 foot peak has become common place--more than half of the 500 people to reach the top have done it in the last five years-and so, sadly littering. Environmentalists estimate that 50 tons of rubbish are scattered across the Everest, some of it predictable (tents, oxygen bottle) some of it unpredictable (baseball bats, frisbees), some of it downright macabre
(dozens of corpse preserved by the cold)"
     Focus, (Fall 1991, pp35) writes, "virtually no matter where you dig, you discover either a pile of buried trash or previously used toilet". McConell (1991) say, "it was frightening to discover as much as medical waste we did. This included everything from bloody bandages to syringes with needles still attached, to vials of unlabeled injectible medication."
      Secondly, the inadequate Neplease environmental policy can be taken as the major reason for the current problem. There emerged a little hope of protection of Himalayas when the Ministry of Tourism in 1992 made the first effort to cut back expeditions, rising the fee for Everest up to US
$ 50,000 and sharply restricting the number of climbers (NY Times, Dec 16, 1994); however, the question of protecting other Himalayas and midland Mahabharat mountains remain as it is.
     Currently eight new peaks have been opened for trekking in western Nepal (I am in search of name, I would appreciate to learn if any of you know). The Eighth Five Year Planning (2049-2054) sharply explains to open new peaks gradually every year and vaguely states about the sustainable development. The government should not formulate such devastating policies until and unless rectified measures are set and strictly implemented.
     We must stop such environmental degradation and preserve our bewitching landscape for ethical, spiritual, educational and esthetic values. Himalayas are our heritage ! our property and it is our responsibility to protect from such anthropogenic disasters. We should thank the people who warned us saying "highest junkyard in the world".
     Let us ignite an environmental revolution in Nepal. Revolution for protection, integration, peace and harmony !!!

Jai Hos Nepalko !! Jai Hos Vishwoko !!
______________________ Any comments, critiques:

************************************************************** Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:03:31 -0400 From: (RaJesh B. Shrestha) To: Subject: Need Nepal Tax/Tariff Info Please

Cross-posted from SCN:

In article <95088.131510CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, carl skutsch <CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> wrote:
>I wonder if someone could help me out here. I'm teaching a history class
>and someone in my class came up with a statement which I found questionable
>but had no information to prove one way or another. They claimed that
>the Nepalese pay no taxes, either income, import/export, or property, and
>that the King personally pays for everything. While I find this hard to
>believe, I do wonder if Nepal may have a unique tax structure which confused
>my student a bit. I wonder if anyone has any information on this matter.
>Encyclopedias give me loads of data on anual rainfall and I can easily find
>out about Nepalese history, but taxes...
>If you could email me with information, I and my students would be very
>Sincerely yours,
>Carl Skutsch

That's ridiculous. Nepalese do pay taxes. There are income tax, import tariffs, export duties, and also property taxes. Rather the King is absolved of the duty to pay income tax. While it is true that there are many loopholes to avoid taxes and there are corruptions in the tax adiministration, while it may also be true that the tax structures are not appropriately progressive and/or are the sources of many distortions in the economy, the tax system in Nepal cannot be called unique to the extent that it can cause confusion to any person like your student. Hope this comment is helpful.


********************************************************************** Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:41:21 -0500 (CDT) From: ROTTA <> To: nepal_news_bulletin <> Subject: apology to amulya

sorry amulya... I didn't mean to pin point you directly. My opinions were solely aimed at that particular person who had written such degrading remarks about BNKS alums. I didn't realize you were just conveying someone's thought.

************************************************************ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 22:27:01 -0400 From: "Sher Karki" <> To: Subject: BKS again

Dear Rajpaljee,

I would first like to thank you and the rest of the contributors to TND for information and lively discussions. Although I have not been able to actively participate in debates in both TND and SCN I do follow them with interest. I personally think the debate on BKS has reduced to ugly personal attacks and some of them could not have been farther from reality.

Sweeping generalizations like "all BKS alumns are the product of cheating" are not just offensive but illustrates how people would say anything or try to find anything to make BKS look like a big failure. If all the so called foreign aid or projects in Nepal are carefully evaluated for achievement of intended goals then BKS is perhaps one of the finest examples. If someone argues that the goal as far as BKS's establishemnt is concerned, is arguable then that is a different matter.

This argument that the Nepalese government spends so much money on one school, and therefore draining resources away from much needed sectors or other high schools, certainly raises eybrows. But the fact is this. Of all the students that are admitted to BKS, 30% hold scholarships. This is the population of students that the Nepali government pays for their tuition, room and board. Right now the school has about 700 students and 30% of that is 210. All inclusive fees and tuition comes to about Rs 3000 (BTW this is less than what it would cost to send to say for example Galaxy, notwithstanding ~Rs 20000 deposit!), and this easily adds upto more than 75 lacks per year. In other words, BKS will run fine without Nepali Gvt. giving any financial assistance provided it does not ask BKS to provide education to those needy students that it itself selects from all 75 districts. BKS can simply get full payers instead of those under Gvt. BKS it does not make any difference except that some of the genuinely needy students will never have the opportunity to get first class education that they deserve.

Ghooskhori, Natabaad, Kripabaad? Just because there are isolated incidents of " Afno Manchhe ghusaune",or some undeserving student getting admission to BKS how fair is it to judge the whole school and all its students and alumni as "cheats"? Does that person who made that statement think I am a cheat just because I went to BKS? Am I to feel guilty just for going to BKS? I am where I am now because I worked hard and BKS provided me an ideal environment for that.

As far as sending graduates to abroad who don't return, this assumption is based on something else than a hard fact. If anything, BKS has the highest rate of return compared to other schools in KTM, whose graduates go abroad. Everyone in my batch who went to England (At least 9) all of them are back in Nepal after they finished their bachelors or Masters. If you go batch by batch, more than 90% have returned to Nepal, not including the most recent ones who are yet to complete their intended education.

Yes, I do agree that initially both the British and the Nepali Governments provided assistance to set up the school, but BKS has ever since been a financially independent institution. Its only that it used to educate those scholars that the Nepali government promised to pay for meanwhile the British government used to pay for the handful of British faculty present in the school.

Now the Brits have left, BKS is left on its own. No help from either of the governments! The new government (both the Congressis and the Communists) have quickly discovered that Nepali government does NOT subsidize expences at BKS. Instead they have found that the government is paying for the poor that they themselves desparately want to help......and as far as I have seen abolishing the scholarship scheme is a decision that neither party has taken so far. But I am not sure whether all those that speak of BKS being an unnecessary burden on the taxpayers of Nepal would be satisfied if the scholarship scheme is totally dropped.

Just a few thoughts. Namaste Sher Karki University of Pennsylvania

****************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:26:32 BST From: Anil M Sakya <> Subject: Re:Holy book of Buddhism To: The Nepal Digest <>

Here is the answer to the question 'What is the name of Holy book of Buddhism?' raised by one of our netters in the TND issue of 6 Apr.
        The most original text or holy book of Buddhism is called
        as 'Tripitaka' in Sanskrit or 'Tipitaka' in Pali. This is
        sometimes also called the Pali Canon in popular English.
        It consists of all 84000 Dharma teachings of the Buddha.
        However, this is mainly believed as their holy book by
        Theravada school or southern school. For northern school
        or in Tibet, there are another set of holy book named as
        'Kong-jure and Tan-jure' if my pronounciation is right.

        If anyone needs more information about Buddhism, I am please to answer them as I have been studying Buddhism quite a bit.
        I hope this information gives you the answer.
                         From: Anil Sakya or Bhikkhu Sugandha

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashutosh Tiwari <> Subject: From The Far Side Gallery To:
        As someone who had actively participated in the "great BKS debate" on TND, I was shocked at someone's message (FORWARDED by Amulya Tuladhar) that all BKS students are products of cheating, and that they are
"looting" the national treasury.

        This just shows how the thesis of the original debate (which was about the COST, and the COST of running BKS only) could be now DISTORTED to beat one's own drum, anonymously, against BKS. And this is sad.

        My original arguments were not directed at BKS school or individual BKS students per se, but at the Educational Planning of the Nepal government that chooses to fund one school so disproportionately ( a fact, readily accepted by most BKS grads). In fact, I had argued that the BKS cannot be talked about in isolation, but only in the TWIN contexts of foreign aid management and gross neglect of OTHER secondary schools across the nation.

        Some BKS grads accept my arguments; some don't. And that's fine in this marketplace of ideas. But I would not want this issue of costs providing some sort of a ready-made noose, as it were, for some knee-jerk opponents of BKS to hang BKS students just like that.

        The charge of "looting national property" is a serious one. And this requires substantiation on the part of Mr. Anonymous. After all, as any student of logic knows, amusing anecdotes, no matter how believable, are not really substitutes for clear resoning, evidence or proof.

        And, in the absence of clear reasoning, or proofs or evidence, we are left with some sort of a "class-action" mud-slinging -- something we should leave to the American politics (in the hands of Newt and the gang), while chasing it out of TND.

namaste ashu
******************************************************************* Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:01:50 +0900 From: Roshan Thapliya <> To: Subject: Anyone in optical electronics?

       My study, as a Master's student here at the University of Tokyo,
       is on optical-electronic hybrid system for
       character recognition. I wonder if you know any other Nepalese
       involved in a similar type of descipline. I would be grateful,
       if you could give my email address to them.

        I hope to hear from you all soon.

My address: Roshan Thapliya
             2-5-12 Senju,
             Adachi-Ku, tel.
             Tokyo. +81-03-3870-5536
************************************************************************* Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:27:44 +0100 (BST) From: GIRI J N <> To: The Nepal Digest <> Subject: LAND USE STUDY IN CENTRAL NEPAL AND THE RIVER BAGMATI CATCHMENT

I am developing a rainfall/runoff model of the river Bagmati catchment
(RBC) using the US soil conservation service (curve number) method as part of my thesis on 'mathematical modelling of flood wave proporgation of middle himalayan rivers.

I am very keen to network with researchers , scientists and professional who are or have been involved in land use study in central nepal. RBC consists of districts in Makwanpur, lalitpur , Kavre and Sindhuli.

I am mainly interested in any soil study, land use/treatment study, topography study and land/vegetation cover study in these areas outlined above. These valuable info is required to assess the storage/infiltration potential of the sub-catchment to deduce the runoff potential.

It would be ideal if some agencies / institution or researcher have developed a soil/land/topo GIS spatial model of RBC, but for a country like Nepal , this is I think is asking for bit too much i.e asking for the sun & the moon. So hello to anyone @ MENRIS prog of infamous ICIMOD or anyone @ AIT, can you help ?????!!

I would be very grateful if someone could shed light and part with suggestion and references. My background in 'land resource management and GIS' etc etc is a bare minimum, so any input is worth 10000 input from me. I am at the momemt using Vic galay 's gen book of sedi & ero, 1980 SMEC rep and lot of input from Scott Wilson (Arun access road consultancy) engineers.

Hoping to hear from anyone out there.

JOTI GIRI Dept of Civil Engineering City Uni London EC1

fax no 00 44 171 834- 0690

**************************************************************** From: (Pratyoush R. Onta) Subject: New Books on Bhutan To: (tnd) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT)

Michael Hutt writes from London: We have just published the papers from the conference on Bhutan that was held here in March 1993. I'd like to place an announcement of this publication.

The books are as follows: 1). Michael Hutt (ed.) Bhutan: perspectives on conflict and dissent
(contributions by Michael Hutt, Michael Aris, Jigmi Y. Thinley, Kinley Dorji, Christopher Strawn, Rachael Reilly, Leo E. Rose, Brian C. Shaw, A. C. Sinha, Kanak Mani Dixit, Nicholas Nugent)

2). Michael Aris and Michael Hutt (eds.) Bhutan: aspects of culture and development. (Contributions by Michael Aris, Karma Ura, Thierry Mathou, George van Driem, Marc Dujardin, Sonam Chhoki, Michael Kowalewski, Francoise Pommaret, Diana K. Myers-Sidman.)

Both books are available from Lavis Marketing, 73 Lime Walk, Headington, Oxford OX3 7AD, UK. Fax 01865 750079. Price of each volume is #17.50 pound sterling.

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:46:47 -0400 To: Subject: Election results!!!! From: (Pradip K. Baniya)

Here is the result of the recently held student union election in some campuses of Nepal.


All Nepal National Free Student's union (ANNFUS) won at: Mechi Campus, Mahendra Bahumukhi (Dharan), Dhankuta, Butwal, Biratnagar, Surkhet, Bhanubhakta (Tanhun), Gorkha, RR, Law, Nepal Commerce, Patan, Engg (pulchowk), Sanothimi, Tahachal, Ascol, Saraswati, etc.

Nepal Student's Union (NSU): Maharajgunj, Balmiki, Bishwabhasa, Bhaktapur, TC, PK, Shankardev, Public Youth, Mahendra Campus (dang), Nepalgunj, Baglung, Birendra (Bahratpur), engg (eastern), engg(western),Tandi(Chitwan), Balkumari(Chitwan),

Mixed result: Central Campus (TU): President, Secretary, 7 members NSU, rest ANNFSU. MM Campus(Biratnagr)Rara Multiple Campus, etc.

Pradip, UNL,Lincoln

*************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:39:52 +0500 From: (Nischal Shrestha) To: Subject: Hi

        Did anyone understand the problems that was on last T.N.D.? Its confusing. The answers are as follows:-

        1) 26 L. of the A.
        Answer: 26 letters of the alphabet.

        2) 7 = W. of A.W.
        Answer: 7 wonders of Ancient World.
           3) 1001= A.N.
        Answer: 1001 Arabian nights.


********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:02:57 -0400 To: Subject: Silence -- A Poem From: (jit)

Ms. Anasuya Sengupta, 20, a first year student at Lady SriRam College of Delhi wrote the following poem for Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the request of the dean of her college. Ms. Clinton said she felt overwhelmed upon reading the poem (NYT, 30 March), and she went on to rewrite her only speech in India to make the poem by Ms. Anasuya Sengupta, its centerpiece. According to Ms. Clinton, "It expresses the feelings that all of us share that women's voices should be heard." IMHO, this is true in South Asia more than anywhere else, if the countries in that region are to overcome the burdens of povery, illiteracy, over-population and poor health-care.

This poem was obtained from a news article by Reuter.

                    Anasuya Sengupta

   "Too many women in too many countries speak the same language of silence. My grandmother was always silent- always aggrieved- only her husband had the cosmic right (or so it was said) to speak and be heard.

   "They say it is different now (After all, I am always vocal and my grandmother thinks I talk too much). But sometimes, I wonder.

   "When a woman gives her love, as most do generously- it is accepted.

   "When a woman shares her thoughts, as some women do, graciously- it is allowed.

   "When a woman fights for power, as all women would like to, quietly or loudly, it is questioned.

   "And yet, there must be freedom- if we are to speak. And yes, there must be power- if we are to be heard. And when we have both
(freedom and power) let us not be misunderstood.

   "We seek only to give words to those who cannot speak (too many women in too many countries). I seek only to forget the sorrows of my grandmother's silence."

******************************************************************* Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 14:08:11 EST From: PSHRESTH@MIAMIU.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU Subject: Mr. Loose-mouth To:

This is a response to one of Mr A. Tuladhar's wild allegations. In a recent issue of TND, he labeled all BKS grads as "products of cheating", based on some stories he'd heard. Given the stories are true, it is a gross generalization on the part of Mr. Tuladhar, to say the least. It would be like saying that all Nepalis are stupid and have no idea what thet're talking about just because one Nepali, Mr.A.Tuladhar, makes such a blatant,crude remark.

     So would it be improper to suggest that you use your head before you spill your guts all over the place?

                                   Prabin Shrestha


*********************************************************************************************** From: (Sanjiv Shrestha) Subject: Amulya Tuladhar's remark about Budhanilkantha To: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:52:37 -0700 (PDT)

To the Editor,
   This is in response to Amulya Tuladhar's remark about BKS alums. Let me quote what he actually said, " Basically all BKS alums are products of cheating." I don't really understand how anyone can make such a harsh general accusation based on some things he/she has heard or found about. Let me give you an simple example. Let's say somebody came up to you and said,"I saw a black cow today". What that person said could be true but that doesn't entail that all cows are black. It would be foolish on the part of that person to assume that all cows are black based on one black cow he saw on the street. Oh, yeah, there is freedom of speech, all right, but it should be used judi- ciously. One cannot just jump to conclusions based on imcomplete premises. Before anybody can make such vile accusations over a mass information medium like Internet, I think he/she should think twice about it. I hope Mr. Amulya Tuladhar got my point.
                                                          -Sanjiv Man Shrestha
************************************************************* Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Nirmal Ghimirez <NGH42799Q236@DAFFY.MILLERSV.EDU> To: Subject: Sanskriti of sanskrit good or bad?

Hi! Language now seems to be a problem after all. It is sad that we are having a debate whether Sankrit language should be given a chance or not.Recently few people tried to burn the radio station because it read the news in Sanskrit. P.M.Tuladhar is against the promotion of this language so he resigned(from the news form Nepal Home Page). I do not see what harm there is in promoting a language. Sanskrit is a language from which our language is derived to some extent. I think it is a good idea to take this initiative. It may not look fruitful imediately but it has great use. It takes time for things to grow.Sanskrit was always there and it is good that when it was declining the government is trying to give it a push.I am not in the field of language, so I do not know much about it. But the books translated in English or Nepali from Sanskrit are epics(Gita, Ramayan etc.) and they are good in literature and go beyond religion to real life. I wonder how fortunate I would be if I had known Sanskrit and would have been able to read theser books in its original form. Maybe it would have given a greater meaning. Everything is not meausred in profit and loss or expense and income, I believe language is one of them. it is good that Sanskrit is coming back again. Whenever someone tries to do something new there is an oppsition or a chllenge. I hope Sanskrit will be continued despite factors as such. I would like to know why P.M.Tuladhar is against this.Did he fail in Sanskrit exams when he was in school. I did once. I would like to know the views of my friennd.Language is not a barrier but a tool of communication.Thanks.Nirmal

********************************************************************** Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:55 EST From: Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 6, 1995 (23 Chaitra 2051 BkSm) To:


This is in response to a variety of objections raised by defendents and apologists of bks about an ANONYMOUS POSTING i forwarded.

it is truly fantanstic that these readers were attributing the POSTING to me!

i wonder if the bks defendents are asking me to partake in censorship and suppression of this viewpoint and incidents just because some readers don't want any posting questioning bks.

i believe the bks is a complex issue not reducible to simple dimensions argued by bks alumni or ashu or the anonymous readers, a debate serves to highlight all the dimensions and hopefully arrive at a more nuanced understanding of decision making in nepal.

last of all i would like to thank readers for interest in this posting.

amulya clark university

guns, begging for food, and nepal's independence...

This is response to some readers who objected that i did not pay enough lip service , OR Is it finger tap service on the keyboard, to the hallowed concept of nepal;s independence while discussing the proposed plan for arms purchase and beg for rice from japan all in one week.

one reader suggested, interestingly that nepal had the right to arm as much as she can because she was an 'independent' country. Rhetoric aside, i ask this reader, just how much/

do you want our country to acquire nuclear bombs, biological anc chemical warfare capacities, a navey, a air force all in parity of india and china our most potential enemy at least historically our enemies. if we draw no line, why have any development at all, spend all the money on defence and maybe even some on offense; stupid prithvi narayan shah and his defendents conquered and expanded along the hills of west and east and did not even have the modern vision of Saddam to at least make a dash for *calcutta and seaport when we had a fighting chance, should nepal army strategize about righting this historic oversight and enhance the cause of our 'independent ' nation/

if national interest of this independent nation is high, why not rent our Royal Army to fight indian wars, who knows, the indians might give us that sliver of land for direct access to bangladesh. The british india did, as Rishi kesh Shah likes to point out fondly, that jung bahadur rana's decision to volunteer the nepal army to put down the sepoy mutiny inlucknow won nepal the big chunk of west nepal terai, the naya muluk, or nepal gunj west, the very tract of land that was the cause of the beginning of the 1816 war with the british as the bharadars of p n shah's courts claimed all the land holdings of the palpa king in the terai, nepal gunj and part of oudh or uttar pradesh for their personal income and so when british surveyors disputed that nepalese landed elite transformed theri personal loss a threat to national integrity and decided to fight and lost a bigger chunk of land instead...

i just ask, can nepal, should nepal draw a line or should we have more guns than food....

Amulya Tuladhar Clark university

***************************************************** To: From: "camille@picea.CNR.ColoState.EDU" "Camille Richard"

Amulya - this should be posted on TND! I would say that TND is in a
"mature" stage, no?


Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush
     alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to
     the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy
     threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others;
     lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other
     experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships
     develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with
     generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike---
     feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and
     sharing opinions).

5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
     dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every
     reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise
     ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't
     limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees
     with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more
     bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads
     than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets

6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone
      who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious
      post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing
      level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen
      by private e-mail and are limited to a few participants; the
      purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating
      each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).


6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the
     participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly
     every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third
     'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).

Linda Henneman, RN, BSN
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****************************************************************** Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:18 EST From: Subject: RESEARCH ON NEPAL HIMALAYS To:

tO FIND out about nsf grants and programs, you can begin at:

  To begin to find the abstracts of recently research funded awards, begin at:

  and then you can start typing in keywords related to your search. For example, to find out all the recently funded awards related to "Himalaya", the location is:
  For "Pakistan" etc.
        A list of the currently funded USA NSF "Himalaya" projects are given below. You can then either directly read the abstract for this project and/or download the abstract to your own computer:
        Detrital Record of the Eastern Himalaya, Assam and Bengal Basin Thermotectonic Evolution and Exhumation of a Modern Collisional Orogen
(Everest Region of Nepal Himalaya)
        Late Cenozoic Rates of Erosion and Sediment Deposition in the Himalaya and Adjacent Basins
        Extensional Tectonics in the Manaslu-Dhaulagiri Region, Central Nepalese Himalaya
        Flood Hazards Associated with Glacier-Lakes in the Eastern Himalaya Mountains
        Glaciochemical Investigations in the Nepalese Himalayas
        1993 Nepalese Himalayas Dendroclimatic Expedition
        RUI: Collaborative Research on Regional Assessments of Environmental Change in Mountainous Areas
        Thermal Evolution of the Central Himalayan Orogen in Nepal
        Critical Zones in Global Environmental Change
        Critical Zones in Global Environmental Change, Phase II

        Crustal Structure of Collisional Orogens: The Ural Mountains, Russia
#05 Pattern and Conditions for Forest Increase over the Himalayas
                From: Amulya Ratna Tuladhar (
        Here is my interest area. I would welcome interested contacts and leads to possible funding sources. Thanks.
    The Pattern and Conditions for Forest Increase over the
                     Amulya Ratna Tuladhar
                       Clark University
              The George Perkins Marsh Institute
      Center for Technology, Environment, and Development
                        950 Main Street
                   Worcester, MA 01610-1477
               E-Mail: ATULADHAR@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
                         PROPOSAL ABSTRACT
        Forest change in the Himalayas, like much of the global land use/ land cover changes in the developing countries of the Tropics, is a debatable phenomenon from both the empirical and explanatory perspectives. The purpose of this proposed research is to test two hypotheses: 1) that forest increase in the Himalayas is a regional process rather than a localised phenomenon; and 2) that this regional process represents the degree of integration of the subsistence agricultural economy with the global market economy. To test these hypotheses, five spatial datasets will be generated in the IDRISI geographic information system. These datasets are: 1) District-wide sample of Global Positioning System (GPS) referenced areas of forest increase in Sindhupalchowk, a subsistence agricultural economy, and Dhanusha, a globally-integrated market economy; 2) Landsat Thematic Mapper generated map of forest increase areas for the same two districts; 3) Country-wide
[Nepal] sample of GPS-referenced forest increase areas; 4) Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) map of forest increase areas for the country, generated by Principal Components Analysis; and 5) Country-wide indicators of land use integration into global market economy. The hypotheses will be tested by comparing satellite imagery of hypothesized forest increase patterns against ground controls as follows: for hypothesis (1), database (4) against database (3 and 2); for hypothesis (2), database (2) against (1) and, further, database (5) against (4). The significance of this research is to map out conditions under which forest increase can be sustained as a global process of environmental change in marginal agricultural economies that are being integrated into the global market economy.
        Prof. Dr. J.-P. Burg and Dr. David A. Spencer
        Institute of Geology
        Department of Earth Sciences
        Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
************************************************************* Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:19:38 -0700 From: To: Subject: Request

Dear Editor

        I am a regular reader of your TND. As one of the e-mail account, I was using, is no more working, I would like to request you to include me in your mailing list.

        On the auspicious occasion of New Year-2052 B.S., I wish every success to the members of TND editorial board. I hope this new year will bring all the thoughtful and constructive ideas (concerning Nepal and Nepali), spread all over the world, to the large number of Nepali. The exchange of such ideas would certainly broaden our mind, which ultimately leads a situation where majority of people have common ideas (replacing conflicting one). Why not we all give some time to this TND. No doubt, TND is a great achievement which can be changed with the passage of time and reader's interest.
        In my opinion, TND can be published in a regular interval (may be every alternate days or thrice a week) with a weekly "BHET_GHAT" which can include
"Katha_Kabita, Entertainment, Jan_Kari or Khoj_Khabar, Classified, Titar_Bitar". The number of pages in the Regular-TND should be limited to a fixed maximum. Some may argue about the lack of fun items in the Regular-TND. It is possible that such fun items can still find some space in Regular-TND. The more appropriate will be to include "Quotations by renowned figures
(in the field of science and Technology, Politics, Religion and Spiritual thoughts)" after every articles. The reader can send their best quotations through weekly "Bhet_Ghat".

        This is just my suggestion which may not be practically possible. I really appreciate you all for your constructive effort. Hope to see your response.

Thank you.


way I want to see your comment on this will be more appropriate if interesting Classified, and a very general issues. eople all over the world.

******************************************************************** Date: 08 Apr 95 01:51:23 EDT From: BONNIE HOLLAND <> To: The Nepal Digest <> Subject: Annapurna Circuit

Dear Folks at TND,

I tried to send a letter to Rajesh B. Shrestha at the address
"" and it did not go through. I see that he is the SCN Liason for TND, so please forward this letter to him. THanks.


I'm sure you have had many responses so far to you note about the Annapurna's so you can disregard this if you have too many replies. I have done the Annapurna circuit, as well as the Annapurna Sanctuary. In addition, I have trekked up to Manaslu and around to Pokhara, to Helambu, Everest Base Camp (several times), small loops near Pokhara, etc., etc.

The best time to trek is Oct/Nov, and Feb/Mar/April, especially for the higher country. It is OK to trek in lower areas (Helambu, near Pokhara, etc.) in colder times, like Dec and Jan. May is also OK up in Solo Khumbu, but flights out are tricky when the monsoons come in. June, July, Aug, and early Sept. are pretty wet, full of jugas, hot and humid. Not a whole lot of fun for trekking. My favorite is Oct/Nov, but I have trekked year-round, it just depends what you want to put up with, weather-wise, comfort-wise.

Equipment needs: small towel, toothbrush, a little money, a change of underclothes, warm sweater, and light-weight hiking boots. That is all you need!!! I have stayed in Nepali tea houses and did not even need a sleeping bag, since they had comforters. You can always take more (books, paper and pen, change of clothes, warm clothes, camera and film, flashlight, etc.) Get a good trekking guide and map, both of which are readily available in Kathmandu (i.e., Bezruchka, Stephen, "A Guide to Trekking in Nepal", Seattle, WA: The Mountaineers, 1981, general background information, very brief and sketchy at times, has been updated since 1981; Nakano, Toru, "Trekking in Nepal", New Delhi, India: Allied Publishers Private Limited, 1985, also has been updated, great for trekking, good photos). What I have found is the lighter you travel, the more enjoyable it is. And I love looking at maps, so I kind of make up routes, depending on my desires and how much time I had available (I lived in Nepal 3 years). Flying to Tumlingtar and going up the Arun valley and towards Makalu is something I had planned to do, but couldn't when I came down with Paratyphoid. Maybe next time... I love Middle Hills treks, because there is more interaction with the people of Nepal, and this is where most of the population lives (and I can use my language skills), but I also love the high country, especially if I have time to acclimatize. It is beautifully scenic and not so crowded.

If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Raamro sanga jaanos na! Bonnie Holland

********************************************************************** Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 00:08:59 -0500 (CDT) From: RKP6723@UTARLG.UTA.EDU Subject: Happy Buddha Jayanti To:

Dear netters,

H A P P Y B U D D H A J A Y A N T I !!!

Prince Siddhartha Gautama was born on eighth day of April approximately twenty-five hundred years ago in Lumbini, Nepal. He gave up his royal luxury to seek a cure for human suffering. After years of ascetic and meditation practice he found the cure for human suffering, now it is called MAGGA
(The Path to end of Suffering). Then he spend all his life teaching the cure. Prince Siddhartha is known today as Lord Buddha (Enlightened one).

To honor Buddha I would like to present his Four Noble Truths:

1. Suffering exists among human being (DUKKHA) 2. There is a cause of suffering (SAMUDAYA) 3. End of suffering (NIRODHA) 4. The Path to end of suffering (MAGGA)
                                  ------- Birth, old age, sickness, death, associate with unpleasant person or situation, separation from loved ones and pleasant conditions, not getting what one desiresgrief, distress, and forms of mental and physical suffering.

                                 -------- The principle cause of suffering is the attatchment to desire or craving.

                                  ------- The end of suffering is non-attatchment, or letting go of desire or craving.

                                   ----- The Path to end of suffering is to follow the Noble Eightfold Path.

Noble Eightfold Path:

1. Right Understanding (SAMMA DITHI) 2. Right thoughts (SAMMA SANKAPPA) 3. Right Speech (SAMMA VACA) 4. Right Action (SAMMA KAMANTA) 5. Right Livelihood (SAMMA AJIVA) 6. Right Effort (SAMMA VAYAMA) 7. Right Mindfulness (SAMMA SATI) 8. Right Concentration (SAMMA SAMADHI)

All the (UPPERCASE WORDS) are Pali language.

                      O M S A N T H I !

Swayum Bhu (Robin Panday) Arlington, TX

************************************************************* Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 16:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ST941806@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - April 6, 1995 (23 Chaitra 2051 BkSm) To:

HI! i have been reading BKS discussion... it seeems to me that argumets are getting rather heated, and are not serving much purpose on whole....

it was a good issue to be raised but we have been hearing similar argumets from both sides...there doesn't seem to be mcuh disaggreemnet regarding the ineffeciency of allocation. Seems to me that all agree that there is need for a chnge... but rather than plain, objective and precise suggestions to the problem, people are still using their time and energy into bashing a particular person [ like Amulaya] or a population [like BKS students].

May i say quite honestly that i have had enough of this...can we have some constructive discussions instead of thrwoing stones at eachother...esp. between the ST.X and BKS.

I am a kid , honestly, new to the US you mgiht want to dismiss me saying
"Hijoko phul , ajako challa...kura garcha dalla dalla"

if you feel i am bullshitting, hey...please write to me and bash me up
...but don't take time of all TND readers time, so write to my account.

If you ask me, BKS has great have so many other schools but as far as efficiency of budget allocation comes, it should be treated as
"problem with decision making" rahter that any/some individual's shortcoming.

so long!

Umanga [ and no, i am not going to tell you from whcih school i graduated!]

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From: jiwan sarita gurung <> Subject: Nepal e.mail address?

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Dear Rajeshji, Namaskar! (: I am looking for an e-mail address for S.O.S Children's Village Nepal. If there is one, and if you happen to know it, I would be very much thankful to you if you could kindly mail it to my e-mail address. S.O.S Children's Villages in Nepal: 1.Sanothimi, Kathmandu, 2.Rambazar, Pokhara, Chhorepatan, Pkhara 3.Surkhet Hope to see you soon. Thanks. Sincerely, Mrs. Jiwan Sarita Gurung

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