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Activities: "Celebration of 54th National Democracy Day of Nepal"

By Anand Bist

The Nepalese Democratic Youth Council in USA organized the program to mark the celebration of 54th National Democracy Day on Saturday, February 21, 2004.

The program was held a few days later to the real anniversary. Around 150 Nepalese living in and around New York City and our American friends attended the program. The program was presided by Anand Bist. The Chief Guest of the function was Murari Raj Sharma, Permanent Representative of the Permanent Mission of the Kingdom of Nepal to the United Nations.

Shailesh Shrestha, an adviser of NDYCUSA started the program by welcoming the moderator Dr. Tara Niraula, a researcher of Stanford University.

Somnath Ghimire, General Secretary of NDYCUSA made a welcome speech by stressing on the restoration of democracy in Nepal without any conditions. He also demanded an immediate resignation of current Prime Minister and urges King to form an all party government. Mr. Ghimire told the gathering that the King's Nepalgunj speech and the interview in the TIME magazine clearly prove  that he wanted to be an autocratic monarch, which is unacceptable in 21st Century. He also stresses that our King should look forward not backward, instead of looking his past generation he should think about our generation. Our King should understand that what the present generation wants.

In the process of celebration, Tsewang Sherpa Lama, a well-known social worker read his poem about Democracy in Nepal. In the process of celebration, a young speaker, Miss Rakshita Koirala spoke about the values and the importance of democracy. L G Khembochhe, President of United Sherpa Association said that Democracy is needed in Nepal. Our America friends, Mr. Brian Anderson and Jack Sachs also spoke on the occasion about the goodwill of democracy. They said that Democracy is needed for the development of the country.

The prominent leader and Adviser of NDYCUSA Mr. Shailesh Shrestha said that the REAL DEMOCRACY will prevail in Nepal with a republican set up only. In the program Kamal Karki, president of America-Nepal Friendship Association said that History is a powerful testimonial that freedom is never granted voluntarily. He stresses that democracy in Nepal got a second cruel blow in the history of Nepal. Mr. Karki said that we all must work very hard to make democracy a reality in Nepal.  President of Alliance for Democracy and Human Rights in Nepal, USA, Mr. Binod Rokha said that we all have the same mission and work together towards the restoration of democracy in Nepal.

The chief guest HE Murari Raj Sharma expressed his views about the current situation saying that democracy will be restored if we all work together looking forward. President of the Council, Anand Bista gave the Vote of Thanks and he questioned the gathering that how long could our King fool us. He said that our king should know the feelings of the people of Nepal. He urges all the Democratic forces to be united and work together to bring back our hard earned Democracy in Nepal. He warns that plots against hard earned democracy are on to lead our country, Nepal towards party less autocratic system again in Nepal, so we all lover of Democracy need to be ready to fight against regression.

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Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 22:49 - IP Logged
Well...at least we have someone claiming to run his/her pet organization as unbiased one. Thats good news as long as action can follow the words.
Remember, Nepal needs nepalis who love nepal...not someone who loves congress or uml or rpp or pheasant party or maobadi or khaobadi or bahunbadi or rakshibadi or juwabadi or anybadi.
The thrust of righteousness is to speak and do for humankind not for a narrow-minded, biased, venom spitting and self destructing political parties or their sympathizers.
so NYDC, ABCD, EFGH, IJKL, MNOP, WXYZ or any acronym on the face of the mother earth - you have a choice. And the choice is either you speak with reasons for humankind or die in hell vomiting biased propoganda - the choice is yours!
As I always say to my loved ones: You have your right to be WRONG!"
Since we have set the rules now - we can climb to the next phase of our discussion which I put on the table for all you "intellectual wanna-bees":
Parsing 1990 constitution, is democracy derailed? How and Why or Why not?
Now, go scratch your greay matter a little longer before you get ansy to give your wasted hollow oppinion :)
That is myself included!
Good day folks!

Comments by Anand Bist from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 19:49 - IP Logged
Dear Friends,
We all are very much thankful to you all for your concern and excitement about NDYCUSA,as I mentioned in previous posting this is a pure democrat org. and open platform for diff ideas and views,we are looking for more and more female are get involve and work actively in this common issue,specially I wants welcome thoes ladies talking about about gender discrimination and you ladies are only criticizing our female members, pls be like a Menaka ji,she was only the lady came to me with her much excitement to join this org. in the last year's 53rd national democracy day celebration as her aspectation we involved her as treasure sunder lal maharjan was earlier treasure,pls dont consider any one whose sister,whose doughter,which party believer eve single person has owen recognization,
Now a days lots nepalese are coming to US its really good news for eve one our org. actively helping them who doesnt have reltives and friends we gets lots of mail eve day we try our best to solve out their problems and community problems like Samrita Lohani ji,thats wright we talk lots about democracy we have stablished this org after 4th of oct 2002 that was another darkest day of Nepal's Democratic history,no matter where ever we are our motherland is in our heart,we have very common issue not only for congressi its for entire humanbeing, friends,if you thinks we have to moove more effectively pls come and join us there is no special requirement to be a member we are going to be held election dec 2004 we are very much excited to welcome new friends, lets help nepalese community and lets pressure for the re-storation of democracy in nepal,pls dont feel I am ignoring any one I respects eve ones views,once again thanks for your attenction.

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 11:12 - IP Logged
Another old nepali cliche: "kag karai rahancha, pina suki rahancha". I'd like to re-post something here again.
ADS stands for Attention Defficiency Syndrome. In majority it affects children and adolocents who behave like children.
In her "Conflict Reduction Strategies", Kamala outlines various HIGH LEVEL strategies to address conflicts. They are outlined in paragraph 3 and 4 of this article.
BTW, the only proven remedy to ADS has been Wilkinson Home for Boys where they groom boys to men (See Sleepers).
Of course I am kidding!
Therapists recommend continuous counselling, around the clock caring, food selection and rehab as a measured solution that have shown improvements and promises - but I don't have time for all this :)
So, gu-tam ;) if you do not do your homework and read and re-read and re-read my position and keep asking me to repeat myself, I will do the following:
"Beatings will continue until morale improves." - Sirdar_Khalifa

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 09:49 - IP Logged
What is your point? Khardhar?
Go and read my last posting again. Challenge me from what I have outlined as My Belief Vs. Your Belief.

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 09:22 - IP Logged
Part I:
If I say "America is.", I would not be surprised if Gu-tam would finish the sentence by saying "America is unethical in Irag war" or "America is the bullying Afganistan" or "America is beautiful" or "America is going down" or "America is going up" or "America is this and that".
The flawed logic Gu-tam applies to draw his own flawed conclusion is rather pathetic, hilarious or perhaps a bit too bitter for himself as well.
But lets stay-on with the focus. Gu-tam or anybody blindly supporting political parties trying to make TND their personal propoganda platform will have to walk over me - and I declare and remind you - sternly if I may add - I just don't go away that easy - in fact many have said that I never go away :)

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 09:21 - IP Logged
Part II:
Here are the bottome lines:
1) Anybody has a right to say anything as long as, let me repeat, as long as, it is backed by reasons. And reasons can only be shared if you have grey matter. Nor do I or for that matter nor do anybody, has appetite for someone else's verbal diahreah. Lets not waste time and bandwidth here.
2)Gu-tam is better off if he stays away from name calling. I will not respond to that for I will asume very low opinion of him and declare not worthy of my time. I can't help but to remember an old nepali cliche "Gu lai chalayo gandha".
3) Democracy is the founding principal in the 21st century to lead the country. Majority people in the world, especially in the west, conclude that. See, conclusion is very abstract, its not rigid, for a set of conclusion stays until another conlusion betters it. Until then "Western form of democracy - both constitutional monarchy and republic - is the optimal system in the world".
4) Here is the single reason why western-democracy has not succeeded in Asia, Africa or Latin American. These three continents are where Guttenburg arrived late hence the "analysis, mulling over, sense of fair play, rights and responsibilities and many other virtues" are simply non-existence. Democracy without RESPONSIBILITY is destined to be a failiure and most likely it will lead to civil war. It happened here in the great land of United States of America also.
5) Responsibility is not something you can force on children. It is a lerned behaviour and it takes time. The fastest way to make the masses think responsibly is EDUCATION. The education must be based on ethics, nationalism, sense of fair play, right to disagree, moral values based on humanity and finally, respect for human life - not some bullsh*t propoganda of hooligan politics!
6) Multiple postings are not encouraged - but god darn it - sometimes you just have to beat it to death to get it accross some thick skull!

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 09:20 - IP Logged

Part III:
Now, lets have some laugh on the lighter side - what we have learnt here is that - Nobody is gonna eat nobody's bullsh*t as truth - so lets behave like mature grown responsible men and present our beliefs, arguments, positions with personal responsibility - for billboard style of barking lopsided political slogans is simply "achi" :)
Heck if you like it, Bona Apetit!

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:27 - IP Logged
I apologize to all if I sound like making troubles here. I am not. Sirdir, you try to potray yourself as a man of logic but look at your own actions - you blasted TND with your crippling logic with 5 or more posting in every thread possible. Is this how you believe democracy would work by covering other's voices with multiple postings. As I had imagined from your character, you are here on TND to act as propaganda machine, but I had no idea, you would go so far, as to disgrace yourself, and TND.

Get Real. Let's see your agendas?
1. Statements have to be backed by facts. Yes. I agree.
2. Political parties in Nepal are worthless and you disagree with them.
Yes. Could be. I respect your right to do so. To some extent I do too.
3. NDYC is a political group not social.
May be they are more affiliated with some group than others. Even possible that Deuba himself calls Anand from Nepal to run day-to-day business of its. Why not? Anything is possible but wait until you know the facts. And where are facts?

Now my agendas:
1. I believe NDYC or any such group (ABCD, XYZ) is good for the current fight for democracy as a means of showing people living in US to express our feelings and frustrations against the current political situation.
(You don't agree with that, right?)
2. A group, merely 1 year old, is accused of being undemocratic because it does not hold election, have all congressing women on-board and all bramhin and things like these that only dirty politicians talk when they have no real issues to talk about. Anand says all are welcome. Go and join if you really care.
I say - let's give NDYC (any ABC org that anyone who cares about democracy) a chance. Support them morally and otherwise. I know you wouldn't agree.

3. Everyone supports a social org. Shall we support a political ones if NDYC is really a one?
I still say - yes! What is wrong with being a political organization as long as you voice people's opinion in one form or other.

Comments by Yubraj Acharya from United States on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 02:29 - IP Logged
I am saddned by the fact that this thread has turned into a platform for venting anger! There could be various reasons why democracy failed in Nepal, but I am sure one of the reasons is that we tend to take constructive critisms personally. We need not look further for an example. My question to Sirdar-jyu and Gautam-jyu: if even TWO people can not accept differences and have a healthy discussion without hurling sarcasm at each other, how do you expect 20 million people to get along? If we can not give good suggestions to ONE organization, that too just established, how can we CHANGE the status of the society--Nepal--which is corrupt from the top to the bottom? If we want to change Nepal--or a part of it, for who believe in the ripple effect (myself included)--we need to start by changing ourselves. As I have mentioned before, we need Unity, not division. Let's look at the similarities we have, not just the differences! If things do not change here in this thread, this will be my last posting here (not that it matters to anybody).

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 15:18 - IP Logged
Postulating various theories can be orgasmic intellectually.
A quote below by Bernard is pretty thought provoking and perhaps one of the sources to my low oppinion of politicians, political parties and their sympathizers. The more they say they are for the people the deeper and longer their claws and their teeth are. The more vicious they get to prove their point, the more naked they become unable to hide their EVIL intentions.
Enjoy the quotes!
He knows nothing, he thinks he knows everything. That points to Political career. - Bernard Shaw.
One man with courage is majority. - Sirdar_Khalifa.

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:56 - IP Logged
Many decades ago, I was taught this idiom: Ketaketi ayo - guleli khelayo - matyangra ko satyanash! (Translation: some immature kids came, played with the bird killing tool, and only wasted the stones).
Nobody is happy with the present situation in Nepal. Congress is not happy. UML is not happy. RPP is not happy. Maoist is not happy. King is not happy. People are not happy. Teachers are not happy. Students are not happy. Doctors are not happy. Patients are not happy. Army is not happy. Police is not happy. My grandmother is not happy. Heck even my dog is not happy!
What is the solution? The solution is peace and peace seems like a far-fetched story in Nepal right now.
An unlasting peace brought upon through hap-hazzard process is more burden-some than a lasting peace concluding from a bloody sacrifice.
Historically peace has followed only after one of the warring faction has been completely vanquished. Nepal's story may be no different than many other civilization who has endured tremendous suffering for the sake of peace!
Even after our death, the HOPE must live, for if the hope dies then the humanity dies!
Regards and Best!

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:21 - IP Logged
I was very tempted to put Japan as my location this time just to get Gautam go on a wild goose chase! That would be fun, wouldn't it? But I digress.
Lets get to the point here. It is a well known fact that NYDC is a politically motivated organization. That is totally fine. New York has Leninists and Marxists as well. And that is fine too.
What must be identified clearly though is this: Is NYDC motivated by "Real Democracy" that represents entire Nepal or is it motivated to spread Congresi views of one-sided democracy that represents a political party? There is no harm in doing the later either - this is a free country, heck we allow die-hard-communists to come and live in this country too.
My conclusion is that NYDC is a politically motivated organization and its every effort has been to promote a particular political organization.
Hence, let's call a spade a spade - meaning lets not try to fool everyone in the name of democracy!
And old saying: You can fool some people some of the time. You can not fool all the people all the time. Though people have tried :)
Democracy must allow disagreements. I disagree Congres Party. I disagree with UML Party. I disagree with RPP Party. I disagree with Pheasant Party. I disagree with Maoist Party. We Nepalis must rise above the very basic dignity that is disagreement doesn't warrant condemnation.
Rather Disagreements must be protected!
And disagreements doesn't make me any pro-this-or-pro-that. It simply means I live in a society that allows that.
And BUBA - THAT IS DEMOCRACY! You dig?

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from Sweden on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 13:59 - IP Logged
To the evil eye who is watching ...hahahah....no pun intnede (I am having a hard time to hold on to my laugh). If you noticed, I wroted Sweden under the country section this time. This was done on purpose. This was done just to demonstrate that whether I am in Sweden or USA and I do travel both of the countries, it is irrelevant to my argument. My location is a moot point.
So dear evil eye who is watching - here is something for you to chew on - Next time focus on ideas not on location and names.
Its more fun that way, believe me :)

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 13:52 - IP Logged
Gautam's barking reminds me of an old texan saying: when the dogs get mad, the sherif just shoots them.
Let's drop this childish acusation and focus on base argument. Nobody is against democracy because nobody should be. But that is not the argument here.
My position all along has been that citizens, regardless of their views, have civic responsiblity to defend their views, especialy if they are made in public forums.
I repeat again - my discussion is not only limited to democracy, but on everything in life in general, which is - public positions on any topic if made must be defended not just spout upon.
Because, if we just let people to vomit their one sided views and if we do not demand their reasoning, if there is any, then we simply allow their evil propoganda to go on unchallenged. And as a citizen of a democracy, it is simply immoral to allow that.
So, lets get few things clarified. NYDC or ABCD or WXYZ - I don't care for the acronym - any active political organization that wants to let its views known must identify themselves - for views whether its leftist or rightist lied upon the public as truth is propoganda and TND being a neutral, non political media must not allow it. Otherwise it gets tarnished as verbal diahrea platform of rightists or leftists.
And Gautam or any bhai-Tom, Dick-Tom and Harry-Tom, I will not allow that for I simply love TND too much and have followd it over 15 years. It would be a shame and a moral defeat to allow TND turn into some political propoganda platform.
Now, lets go do some real work! Many thanks!

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 09:29 - IP Logged
To anti-democratic propaganda machine:

I know as a duty of a propaganda machine, you will have to reply to my post in multiple replies from various names:
Just remember that those days are over when you tell a lie a 1000 times and it will become a truth.
P.S. When writing under different names, just make sure, you at least don't have the same typos to pinpoint two or more of you as the same person. I WILL BE WATCHING! :)

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 09:22 - IP Logged
Among other things I did this weekend, I re-read the comments on this post of TND. I smelled something fishy and here is my analysis:
1. “BabitaSijapati”, “Santi”, “Sharmila”, “Kritika”, “peace”, “janta”, “sagar” are have excellent knowledge of NDYC’s executives and its activities, exactly same arguments against it and even in same order with photo-copy writing styles and even same typos. It is verbatim. This cannot be spontaneous comment by common folks. (1 folk from "CHINA" even claimed that there were only 100 people not 150. That person must have been visited from china to attend the event.)
I conclude: ONLY 1 PERSON IS USING ALL THESE FAKE NAMES trying to give some black eye to Anand.
2. "Sagar Gurung" wrote:
“Hey stop telling the general nepali people that we are pro-palace”.

If you look at my previous post, I had questioned our traveling friend(!) Sirdar_Khalia from Sweden and USA to be Pro-palace. I have not read Sirdar_Khalia’s response on that yet, however “Sagar Gurung”, out of nowhere appears and orders me to stop telling “them” pro-palace. Note “WE”, not I.

I conclude: “Sagar Gurung” and “Sirdar_Khalia” are the same person.
Now, I see that there is a very active propaganda machine involved in TND against Democracy. The 2 persons (or may be even THE single person) in #1 and #2 above are committed to sting venom against democracy and whoever does anything in its favor.
I thought I was here for some intellectual discussion – learning and sharing – however I now realize that this has been a futile attempt to fight against the anti-democratic propaganda machine.
Sirdar, except saying “I missed the point by universe” and “teaching me English” and quoting assholes, and godfathers, if you have anything left to say, I say this – Bring it on! YOU (and your whole team) ARE BUSTED, once again and for all.

Comments by Babita sijapati from United States on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 12:53 - IP Logged
Mr ANANAD,
Your org is very undemocratic becasue you do not have election and all the officials of this org is nomitatd by you guys so why do you call your organization is democratic?
2) You do not even represet 1% women in your organization and this proves you do gender discrmination right?
3) Your organiztion is a polictical one and not a social org becuase you only hve political event in NY-don't you?
4)Your staff and board members are more "bhrahmin" don't you think so?
5) Mridula koirala, Bijay Sigdel and Kagendra Giju your board memebrs out of 6 these 3 are dye hard cogress people.........and you do not have neutral unbiased people who are in your organization?
5) You talk abotu corruption and how come you have "Kandra G.C" one of the most coruupted lawyer in USA and who also involved in this fraud scam long time back but got away because he changed law firm in time (unlike other nepali lawyers girija gautam and gandi pandit got deported and had their legal licence revoked) iw you4 legal advisor?
4) How come you guys are so much associated iwth UN ambassordar Murari Sharma who is another corrupt person.....do u know he is being recalled my Nepal's govt for having two jobs and misusing nepali govt property ..but how come your org is not doing anything? NO protest?
I would live to get involved in your org if you follow your missiom statement which you have written and be less political and be mroe social and be less congress instead of less like panchayati sytem and be less Deuba and do less basan and do more work, do have unabiased plp insteac of sisters brother and corrupt people....
BTW, when are you goign to have election? You are not even following yoru own mision statement and how can you expect others to do so?
Please be more democratic please

Comments by santi from United States on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 08:51 - IP Logged
Anand,
If your org believe in election tell when when did you hold election for diff post. I know that your org has not holded any election and you and somu was self elected.
Yes! Mirdula Koirala is there in your baord who happensd to be a cousin sister and your "Bhaitiak sis" and also a cousin of Girija Koiral so that is why she is in thaqt post. And the other lady "Ambu Chetri" your "corrupt lawyer GC Chetttri younger sis" and what about others?
Do you have any female people in your org who are unbiased? You did not anser me or others about "Menuka" who is your treasure? How come she is never in the picture or when you host funtion to give basan? Tell us when was your election or did you guys self elected in somu's apartment? How come you avhe the same speakers all the time why not unbiased plp beside all COngressi sympathiser?
Where were you guys when United Nations convention was kicking regardin CEDAW convention for Women? Arn't you the same org who is just busy only in OCt/NOW during UN convention every year socializing with Congress plp who come to NY for convention? How come you have never never honored any nepli women who coem to the convention beside COngress? How come you only host function for Congress plp like Deuba when he is in NY and why not others and why not wehn so many other Nepali youth or other polictician are here fcrom NEpal? Arn't your org representation all nepali or jsut congressi? Why does your org only hsot congress political stuff? WHy not toher unbiased social function? WHy Mirdula's daugtgher was speaking at the function cuz she was the "Korirala" and why not ur treasrue Meunka or other women? You can say anthing you want the fact is your org is veyr undemorcratic cuz you never had election for any post AND tell e truth ,I know it is diff to tell the truth.....
I WILL JOIN YOUR ORG WHEN YOU HAVE ELECTION AND WHEN U BRING UNBIASED PERSON AND EQUAL REPRESENTATIONA AND GENER EQUALTIITES......AND NO CONGRESS BUT EVERYONE

Comments by Anand Bist from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 20:41 - IP Logged
Dear Commenter,
I am very much thankful to Yub raj ji and other non bias commenter I have raed all the comments and advices some are with good intenson,we have beautyful nepalese community here in NY lots of diff social org. are here as youth democratic org we been deeply concern for nepalese unity in NY,Sherpa,tamang,gurung,Kalakar(these all are org.) ,ADHRIN NEPAL,ANFS,all indivisuals,academic,students,UN officials,nepal mission officials alL These people made their special priority to pay their homage to brave martyr out of country,we dont have personal records about these participents that they are congressi or noncongressi,as Pradeep Joshi ji has asked if you really believes on your freedom and multiparti system pls do focus on mission and dont compare your personal freedom with the leaders and their parties I am tired with so called inteletuals saying democracy is for some leaders, we never go behind of any personal Murari Raj Sharma represent nepal to UN,we never care whom he belongs,that was our first Anniversary in same day what kinds comments is that same leadership carriying the org since long,Mirdula koirala,Ambu Chetri,Menaka sharam these wounderful ladies are in our excutive commete and advisory board Sharmila ji and Shanti ji dont creat 1000 negative comments in front of your computure, if you thinks we havent focus on gende equalities pls come and join, eve one is wel come,its open democrat forum yes we do believe in election and mejority voice,
Every one has own mission to come US I am sure no one came for politics we all are working hard to be servive its just our moral support for the peace and freedom in our motherland,beside this we have been actively doing our best efforts to serve the community I wouldn't like to menction here whom and what we have done these allare the things for realize,all your comments with good intension will be take as an advice,Thank you all,

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 13:05 - IP Logged
Gautam misses the point again ...this time not just by a mile but by a universe!
First of all - your conclusion is always one sided and your views are lopsided. Don't try to defend anymore.
Second of all - i think you might have believed that i was refering a person as an asshole, obviously you missed the tounge-in-cheek expression. Don't ask me to explain this too. Read again: Oppinions are like assholes (or butt hole or ear hole or nose hole, it is anatomic part of human body) and everybody has it just like you have nose hole, ear hole...oh my god, i feel like i am teaching my 4 year old....anyways. If you do not understand by now..just drop it.
Third of all - the conversation stated with falgun 7 which is democracy day. But the core focus of the thesis was "do citizens have responsiblity to defend claims made in public forum?" The overwhelming answer is "They do".
Fourth of all - my expression "democracy is not under fire" referes to my third comment above. If you have not taken Logic 101 in your undergrad then we should stop our discussions here.
Fifth point - Nobody is trying to undermine democracy. There might be poeple who wish to see their version of democracy, but that is another discussion. TND's viewers are congresi, maobadi, khaobadi, rajabadi, prajabadi, rakshibadi, juwabadi, buddhibadi, bahunbadi, magarbadi, newarbadi, panbadi....and everybadi...or better EVERYBODY.
That is the essence of democracy, and which is regardless of what "badi" you belong to - it doesn't matter. What matters is YOU BETTER BE READY TO DEFEND YOUR CLAIM!
Bubba - YOU DIG!

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:54 - IP Logged
Dear Shanti: (or santi)
Thank you for reading my post and for replying.
I, personally, don't know any of the officials of the organization you mentioned. I know them just by news media. However, I believe in a democracy and democratic process. Having said that, I agree with your comments why there are no women in front of NDYC, why their decision making process in not transparant, how come only Somnath and Anand are the leaders. Affiliation with Deuba... I really have no idea if there is any....However they certainly have to come forward to answer these questions as asked by you and many other people. May be they have reasons, may be not. I also await their answers.
2nd part:
I support and criticize views (not people) as my little knowledge allows. I have never critcized anyone personally nor am I interested. I try to be as objective and constructive as possible. I think that is the way democracy should work. Most importantly, I try to learn from smart people like Yubraj whose writing style, humor, and intellect has made me his fan!

Comments by sagar gurung from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:45 - IP Logged
Gautam!
Hey stop telling the general nepali people that we are pro-palace. I wrote the posting and i do have problem with this org cuz it is not demorcratic-cuz they never have election, they always have corrupt plp in hteir advisory list and chief guest and they do nto do any good thing for NY and always do congress basan. We the NYorkers wnated to see something diff and not only doing basan about DEUBA congress. We wean tmore clean person and want to see election so ............just because i write about it u think plp are pro-palance. If you are corrupt you see others being corrupt. If we were pro-plance i would be in Nepal in front of placnace ko get or with Paras or their gang. I am a general nepali working hard going to school and makign a leaving.
SO jsut becuase plp not supporting this org means we are pro-palace right?NOw i know for sure you have a brain of a pea and you hate if others make comment cuz you are a buzruk baje.
here is my comment-get a life and don't be bitter in life

Comments by santi lama from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:37 - IP Logged
Uvaraji!
THanks for you comment. We need unbiased plp like you in TND. Just from you posting one can see that you unbiased and sensible unlike GAUTAM who thinks he is the smart ass on earth.
UNlike you he even used readers personal fmaily informationa and takes that against the reader and lables them.
I have read his ariticle and comments where he has used readers parentst income and theri income and thier status and make comments which you do not do so i am glad.

Comments by santi lama from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:31 - IP Logged
Gautam!
I think you are not getting the info-no one is against democracy here and you are wrong if you think so. People are just making comments about the org.....i read their mission statement and being in NY for 17 years i have not see any demorcractic things they have done. What is the diff between this org and panachayat time? Nothing much? They do not even have election and nominate plp beside anand and somu ruling evertime. THey always have biased and corrupt peolpe like"murari saharma" as chief guest " who is aready called from nepal govt to come back cuz he is doing two jobs whihc is is not allowed to do when he is the UN ambassordor but still taking time to go back and using the govt properties. THey do not have any women representation and they never let women speak in thier function esp " Mridula Koilra's daughter who is one of the board member becuase Mridula is closely related to Girija Koirla so her daugher is allowed to speak but not other unbiased or people even their own treasor " Menuka" who is just given the post but has nothing to do.
ALso, how come all the decison are not make open and it is always two peopel anand and somu making decision.
WHy only Deuaba ko guna and talk is being discussed and if they believe in demorcarcy why not talk about other so many leaders.
They clal them social org but they have not doen anyt social stuff in NY
Do u even know how many domestic violence women (nepali ) are in nepal and what have this org done to this women?
So, my point is that we are not against democracy but we too people who try to give wrong infor and does not practise their own mission statent.
ALso, you i read ur posting and you are against plp critizing other plp who are doing good........but u are the main person who always critize plp and read ur posting and you will see so it looks like you are a liar and untruthful and u say somthing and ur practice. So do not act Smart -u here:
)You have even critized ohters family and their job

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 09:26 - IP Logged
Allright! Once again Yubraj has hit the bull's eye.

To Sirdar:
1. This whole debate here is about democracy of Nepal. Remember, it was started due to celebration of Falgun 7th in NYC by some Nepalis.
2. Democracy IS under fire here and some pro-royals are trying to cloud the efforts of Nepali people to restore democracy.
3.Noone in today's world say that you don't have to back your claim with data or reasons. OF COURSE, YOU DO. Everybody has to if they want to be credible. And that applies to you too!
4. And finally, with your logic about "asshole" , which by itself tells pretty much everything a sensible person need to know about you. Thank you for unmasking yourself.

Comments by Yubraj Acharya from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 05:36 - IP Logged
Pradeep-ji,
There is nothing wrong being affiliated with one of the political parties. In fact, being inclined towards one party I think is the essence of multi-party system.
But current war in Nepal is not between political parties. It is between the palace, the maoists and the political parties. As democrats, our job at this juncture should be to bring all democrats--not just Deuba supporters--together to supress the rising strength of the maoists and the palace.
Also note that I am not blaming this organization for anything--although this will most probably be evident to you from my previous postings. I clearly said "IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE", which implies the allegations could also be just rumors.
Truth be told, I do not have any political knowledge. I am actually a (college) student of Economics, but I have a keen interest in Nepali politics. Feel free to correct me whenever I go wrong.
Thanks,
Yubraj

Comments by Yubraj Acharya from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 05:28 - IP Logged
2) On foreign intervention. Write about the lessons from Haiti. How Canada, France and the US can play to their benefit. Rumors are that US soldiers are already stationed in western Nepal. And, as we can see from the latest bilateral "treaties" between India and Nepal, India is already an integral determinant of Nepal's internal affairs. You can argue why a democratic norm--a process of constant check and balance from the opposition, to be more specific--is essential to keep foreign hands out the national "biskun".

3) What is your road map for the resolution of Maoist problem. It is ok if you want to call for reinstatment(sp?) of the parliament or an interim all-party government. But what after that? What will be your stance on the monarchy? How are you going to bring the Maoists to the talk table? How much are you willing to give up to accomodate the feelings of the Maoist militia? Where will the militia go? If it can be merged into the army, how? From where will the extra money for the increased army come? If you think UN will mediate the election, what will be the process in between? That is, how is the army going to go back to the barrack and will the Maoists surrender their weapons? The bigger picture. The plan. In brief, what do you have that will be acceptable to all parties, the King and the Maoists?

These are some of the things that came to my mind right now. Let me know if what I am saying is not clear. Again, I wish you well for this endevor. We need an organization like you. But, be impartial. Be more democratic. More open.

Best,
Yubraj

Comments by Yubraj Acharya from Nepal on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 05:27 - IP Logged
Glad to see the discussion flowing. Let's not get personal hai tara. The very fact that we are spending time discussing the issue here makes us concerned. I already sent a laundry list of suggestions to Somnath-ji in a separate email. I will try posting them here. I am not sure if the word limit allows me to do so. If it does not,I will post the remaining parts later.
Hi Somnath-jyu,
I am glad that you took my criticisms positively. Keep up the good work--just make sure that you patch all loopholes before you conduct an activitity. Democrats in Nepal, which includes the political parties, need more faith and credibility from the public than ever. And we do not afford to do things that enfeeble our strength. Not at this time. Pro-monarchists have been trying their best to put the blame for all that has gone wrong on the political parties. Unfortunately, they do not seem to realize that the whole problem of Maoism traces back to 30 years of Shah rule and the years before that. Our mission, as true democrats, should be to convince/bring the public towards the democratic fold. A little bit of research is required for this. Believe me, this is where going to Time Square with the national flag wont help. Here's a list of things I suggest you try:
1) If any of you are good mathematicians, compare the economic and social development in the last eleven years with the development in the last eleven years of Shah rule (i.e compare the period 1990-2001 to 1980-1990). I am positive that the development in the 1990-2001 period has been much faster/higher than in the other period. But, as far as I know, there is not any proper document that has done research on this. I could be wrong. Publish the findings--online or off line does not matter--and try to convince the people that for economic development, we do not afford to go back to active monarchy. This might also be a good chance to convince people that Maoism roots back to the period in Panchayat, not multi-party period.

Comments by Pradeep joshi from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 00:14 - IP Logged
Yub Raj
If you really believe in multiparty system nothing wrong to be a congressi if you were happy I dod'nt find any big reason to be disappoint now ,I found the people in celebration from different path of life I never care who is the chief guest,this org is being successful to bring all people in its plateform,this org taking genuine issu I always support issue like peace and freedom,I found this org very much active in sociel activities,grat day like falgu 7 gate I had celebrate 2nd time in NY,I am thankful to NDYC,Anand ji and friends keep it up your best efforts for common couse,dont care bias comments you will find very few people to encourage,by now

Comments by Pradeep joshi from United States on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 00:13 - IP Logged
Yub Raj
If you really believe in multiparty system nothing wrong to be a congressi if you were happy I dod'nt find any big reason to be disappoint now ,I found the people in celebration from different path of life I never care who is the chief guest,this org is being successful to bring all people in its plateform,this org taking genuine issu I always support issue like peace and freedom,I found this org very much active in sociel activities,grat day like falgu 7 gate I had celebrate 2nd time in NY,I am thankful to NDYC,Anand ji and friends keep it up your best efforts for common couse,dont care bias comments you will find very few people to encourage,by now

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from Sweden on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 17:27 - IP Logged
Gautam,
You bring up many points that are very loosely attached.
What was that line by Scarface in GF Part III? "As I am trying to pull away from it - they pull back right down!"
I have had enough of my shares of wasted time during graduate school days - full 6 years of those actually defending baseless acusation from baseless people like you - I refuse to do it any more.
Here is the bottom line so that you are not dis-illusioned by my standing. I travel a lot to Sweden. I travel a lot to rest of North America, hence my address may change - hopefully not too often though as I have lost my old fun for travelling.
Your questions about onus and effort - again you seem to lost your handle. No amount of ONUS or EFFORTS makes any sense if you are applying endless tangents to your core arguments. FOCUS - the argument Yubraj makes is that "Claims must be warranted by reasons". In other words or plain english (you seem to be baffled by that expression), do not claim if you can not defend it with reasons - simple as that. There is no need to extrapolate and cloud the argument by extending it to DEMOCRACY, for democracy is not under fire here.
This is NOT about NYDC, or ABCD, or EFGD or XYZ. It doesn't matter who the organization is - but the claim does matter if it is or is not defendable in public.
Your acusation of "intollerable", "compulsive liar" and "fake intellism" is rather childish, resentful, presumbtive and rather laughable matter - don't try to drag me or anyone there, it won't be pretty for both of us - no pun intended :)
Lets get real here Buba - opinions are like assholes, everyone has it. The difference is, are you gonna fart all day long and stink up the house or say something tangible!
Don't respond to that!
Many thanks!

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 14:13 - IP Logged
Sirdar wrote:
"just doing is not enough. Doing with the righteous intention is what we are talking about"
How do you know if other's intentions are righteous or not? Who are you to judge? Yes! Intention counts and so does efforts. What is your effort? And more importantly what is your intention?
And Onus - the burden to restore democracy - is on everyone. On you too if you believe in democracy and people's rule.

I have problem with intolerant people like you who label everyone "biased" who don't agree with you. First, I beg you to look at your own self on mirror, Sardir.
I am here NOT to defend NDYC or anyone, they need to answer Yubraj's questions. Personally I don't have anything to do with those folks in NY. But what is the difference between NDYC, (though they are not perfect), and you is that they are trying to do something positive and you are neither doing anything at all instead pulling leg of someone who is trying to do something worthwhile.

If you are real supporter of democracy, then share your part of onus and help generate constructive ideas to restore democracy and just don't display fake intellegism by writing in "plain engligh" and "non-plain english".
Lastly, speaking of "release of Starsky and Hutch" don't pretend you are from Sweden, unless you have something to hide or you are a compulsive liar.

Comments by Sirdar_Khalifa from Sweden on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 13:34 - IP Logged
Gautam misses the point....perhaps by more than a mile!
Here is why Yubraj is precise, balanced and unbiased in his comments - he encourages the author to defend his/her position - not just to claim it.
This is why Nepali pshychology (for that matter, the entire south asian mind set) is self-serving. There is a pervasive theory amongst deceitful intellectuals in south-asia that "if you claim it, it becomes the truth". Where is in the West, you are free to claim whatever you want to claim, but you must defend it with reasons if you want to be taken as a constructive member of the society.
Plain english - just doing is not enough. Doing with the righteous intention is what we are talking about.
Further, do not waste my time and aggravate me and others more by claiming propoganda views as biased truth. The onus is NOT on Yubraj but the onus is on you!
In light of Starsky and Hutch being released nationwide: Bubba, YOU DIG?
Many thanks!

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 12:27 - IP Logged
To Yubaraj:

Yeap! I agree with you totally. These guys are trying to do something for democracy and I am happy about someone trying to do something. However the question remains, what REALLY can you do.

I would invite Yubraj to suggest something a good organization would do to support democracy in Nepal.

This is nothing to test your intellengence or anything. I just want to learn from what is so far your very clean and honest thoughts.

Would appreciate your inputs. :)

Comments by kritika from United States on Monday, March 08, 2004 at 10:37 - IP Logged
ANAND!
HOW MANY POLITICAL EVENTS DID YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS ORGANIZED SO FAR COMPARED TO OTHER SOCIAL EVENTS WHICH YOU HAVE STATED IN YOUR MISSION?

Comments by sharmila from United States on Monday, March 08, 2004 at 10:33 - IP Logged
How come there are no intellectual or unbiased people in the board?
They are so many nepali plp who are doing good for teh community and many women activist but know one is associated int he org?
How come corrupt peeple like "so called lawyer Ghagendra Gisi Gharti," oi syoru legal advisor? He has cheated so many nepali men and women and have taken so much money from them and doign all sorts of illegal stuff. From all these stuff and others I do not ahve any appreciate for your org. I can actually write a book. In conclusion I do nto attend your political event. You write something in your goals and obj but in reality your org ony gets involved in political event.

Comments by sharmila from United States on Monday, March 08, 2004 at 10:31 - IP Logged
Mr Anand,
I agree with Yuvraji. Please explain it to all of us. Being a New Yorker myself I have 1000 of questions for you and your org. I totally disagree with you when you wrote that your org is committed to Democracy and youth. Being in New York I believe that your org has not done anything for the youth in New York beside you only org political function and have people who are Congress sympathise.
How come you guys have never been elected?
How come you have only 1 women representation "Menuka." and you talk about gender equalities?
How come beside Anand and Somu others never get to speak or give Basan?
How come you did not celebrate int women's day or let Menuka your women representation speak in any occasion?
Why is your org associated with corrupt "Murari Raj Sharma."?
How come you never org any other function to benefit the Nepali in NY beside only political?
How come you have welcome party or function when COngress people or high ranking officials are in NY but not other group?
Few months ago 10 women activits came to NY and you guys never even did any function but if it was some congressi political or congressi women leader you would have been there.......it has happened many times and i can name it also.
How come out of 6 board members -at least 3 members are congressi supporter but the other three i need to do more homework?

Comments by Yubraj Acharya from Nepal on Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 23:48 - IP Logged
When I first heard about this org, I was so happy. Finally someone is taking the initiative to advocate for democracy in Nepal, I thought. The old generation of Nepalis in the US is busy building temples; something new was needed and I thought this was it.
Now, if all these allegation are true, Mr Bist, as a believer of democracy, you need to defend them. You can not just get away thanking people who have posted their comments. To make a democrat myself happy, I request you to explain the following:
1) Seems like ppl who have been at your functions are usually Congressi sympathisers. What effort have you made to bring other leaders--say, for eg UML inclined? (none it to explain for RPP--I can never think of them as democrats).
2) Why Murari Sharma? Why didn't you get somebody whom everybody can accept as "clean".
3) How come your organization is "democratic", but the officials are not elected?
These are some of the concerns I have for now. If we can not trust you, there is noway people who believe in monarchy or maoists can trust you. You will be pouring water in the sand--wasting everybody's time, just like one of the contributors to the Nepali post whose article i had no patience to read because of too many "baksyo" and "garibaksyo"! And, you do not stand different from the monarchy-alligned student party that got a slap on its face this past student council elections. Thanks, Yubraj.

Comments by manish from United States on Friday, March 05, 2004 at 17:55 - IP Logged
Anand,
I have live in NY for almost 15 years and I have participate in your function. Yes, your org do spread Congress halla around. Your chief Guest or people who are mostly invited are Congressi smypathaiser. When it comes to making important decision your org do not invite anyone besie you and somu and few other people. Your org is not democratic and you never had election for any position. Tell me how many year you and somu has been the in that position? Your org talk about corruption etc but how come your chief guest "so called Murari Sharma" is a corrupt person but you made him your chief guest. If you can talk about throwing this govt and thaqt why donot your org make sure Murari Sharma is not cheapting the nepali govt for having two jobs at a same time. Why your speakers are always congressi people. Your org is alwasy spreading stuff obout COngress and Congressi and therefore I stopped attending any of the functon. Basically, your org is very politically motivated and your org has done nothing for youth in NY but for Congressi only. You should rename to Congress Youth .........and for God sake be more democratic and have election for diff posts so any one compete and have your meeting in a public instead of only 2-3 people making decison. How come you never have neutral and unbiased people speakers? Everyone knows that your org is very polictical and your org is more active in politics than being a social org. Know wonder you have call 1000 times or drag people to come to the function. Only 100 people attended the function and not 150.....stop spreading wrong information.

Comments by Bashu Dev Phulara from Nepal on Friday, March 05, 2004 at 02:24 - IP Logged
Glad to know about the ceremoney mantra of Nepalese youth in US and seems more haunting....congrats for your efforts and just to say ple,drop me an email.

Comments by Anand Bist from United States on Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 17:21 - IP Logged
Dear Friends,
Thank you very much for your comments and advices,if you people believes in peace and freedom NDYCUA is open plateform FOR ALL nepalese, everey one is welcome in this council no matter you are congressi or not this is open plateform for democrate people,PHALGUN 7 GATE is not congressi day we gather on this day to remember thoes brave martyr who secrifised their life for the freedom of nepali people,NDYCUSA believes in nepali unity in globely we are trying our best to serve the nepali community in NY,your comments and advices are always welcome.thank you all,
Anand Bist,

Comments by peace from Nepal on Monday, March 01, 2004 at 21:47 - IP Logged
acharya...........truth hearts.
this org is congressi org not a social org. if you are not congress supporters you are not invited to to any function of this org. all the time they talk about mission statment of Deuba congress. All they do is basan. We who are not congress supporter never invited or welcome to this org. I have been to there meeting many times and they alwasy talk about Congressi stuff.....but call themselves social org which they are not. You have to be COngress to be in that org...
Yes! UN AMB Murari Sharma has another job. He taking money from GOvt and from UNITED NATIONS which is illegal. He is still using govt car and apartment.......He needs to resign.
How can person like Murali Sharma be a chairperson ........when he is doing all illegal stuff. He was invited and made chairperson cuz he is congress supporter as these plp of the org. I think they shoudl focus on Murari Sharma to resign from his Ambassdorship for cheating the govt.

Comments by Gautam Acharya from United States on Monday, March 01, 2004 at 09:58 - IP Logged
Anand!
Don't get distracted by fake named lilliputian charlatans like "peace" and "janta"!

Comments by peace from China on Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 13:30 - IP Logged
Anand!
there were 100 congress supporteres not 150 people. You guys call youth org but you guy do nothing for Nepali youth in NY metro. ALL the time your organization is busy busy doing ADVOCACY work for Congress and Congressi people. I think you should rename your org as Congress youth org.
Cong! for having Ambassdor Murali Sharma who is your chief guest-who is not only working for nepal govt but for united nations for the same time. He is using Nepali govt ko car, apartment in Manhattan and in the time working for other agency also.

Comments by janta from Bhutan on Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 23:18 - IP Logged
Anand!
Did you celebrated COngressi day in NY or true Democracy? It looked like mini Debua side Congressi convention. Every time your polictically motivated organization organizes something it is always to do with Deuba Congress meeting. You guys call it org but we nepali in NY call you guys congressi convation. Besides Congressi stuff you guys never talk about it.
How can you call that lousy so called Ambassdor Murari Sharma as your chairperson because he cheated and fooled nepali government and nepali people. WHen he was still a ambassdor he got a job with UNITED NATIONS. HOW can you have such a tainted person as yoru chief guest who speaks against its own governemnt he is representing. LEts not forget how your COngressi dai got thsi job.......AMbassdor job.........when girija was in govt he was illegally moved to Foreign Ministry because he wanted to come to US so much. He did not care about other people who were higher ranking then him and with girija ko blessing got this job. His term finishes in JUne but this lousy Murari Sharma got himself a job at United Nations and getting 2 salary. One from nepal govt and other one from UNITED NATIONS. He is using our tax money and using the care and home facitlites.
Bottom line, if your org is assosiated with these namakharma just think what kind of people you are.
Your org has never done anything worthy to any nepali people in NY.l ALL you care is to do politically motivated program and give basan (Somu and Anand both) and give news to other papers. Please do something to Nepali community in NY first inst4ead of giving basan and inviting all these namakharam and making them chief guest.
Be like America Nepal Friendship Society and other Nepali org in New York who has done something to the Nepali Community.
I think you are making TND a bad name too.............making it a small Congressi patra. Don't try to fool plp cuz your org is only about COngressi politics.

Comments by Ravi from United States on Friday, February 27, 2004 at 23:08 - IP Logged
Dear Anand Bist and members
Glad to participation in the 54th National Democracy Day celebration. That was a wonderful experence for me in america, that you people are taking the common freedom and peace activities for nepal in america. That is very appreciatible. As a nepali youth i am so much excited to do something for country from the aboard.
Thank you all for your best efforts.
Ravi
NY


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